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Old 10 Apr 2020, 16:19 (Ref:3969833)   #1
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Why does Grosjean still have a seat?

Don't get mad at me, but his 2019 season was a pure disaster.
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Old 10 Apr 2020, 16:43 (Ref:3969845)   #2
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.... and Hulkenberg would be better? I think this is part and parcel of your other thread, isn't it?
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Old 10 Apr 2020, 16:46 (Ref:3969847)   #3
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He kept the seat for three reasons as I understand it, not in order:

1. Continuity.

2. Much cheaper than Huelkenburg.

3. Turned out his early-season feedback was actually correct.
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Old 10 Apr 2020, 17:40 (Ref:3969859)   #4
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Why does Grosjean still have a seat?

I can’t see Grosjean getting a seat in a race winning car. Like Hulk he is out of fashion.

Why was he kept? Of course he can be a bit temperamental in and out the car, but I read about his technical feedback in the post above, so that’s obviously something the team value. They need him to help develop the car more. And he’s still capable of a good/great drive on occasion
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Old 10 Apr 2020, 17:53 (Ref:3969865)   #5
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.... and Hulkenberg would be better? I think this is part and parcel of your other thread, isn't it?
Because Grosjean has scored multiple podiums pre-2016? So has Heidfeld.
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Old 10 Apr 2020, 17:57 (Ref:3969869)   #6
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.... and Hulkenberg would be better? I think this is part and parcel of your other thread, isn't it?
Yes, Hülkenberg's 2019 season wasn't that great either, but even he scored more points than both Haas.
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Old 10 Apr 2020, 18:35 (Ref:3969873)   #7
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Yes, Hülkenberg's 2019 season wasn't that great either, but even he scored more points than both Haas.
But the Haas was an awful car - the updates they were throwing at it didn't work. They ended up going back to the spec they had a the first race -by which time of course everyone elses cars were much quicker than they had been at the first race so Haas were further off the pace. The Renault was a better car all season so of course Hulkenberg outscored both Haas drivers - put either of the Haas drivers intothat Renault and they'd both have scored more points.
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But the Haas was an awful car - the updates they were throwing at it didn't work. They ended up going back to the spec they had a the first race -by which time of course everyone elses cars were much quicker than they had been at the first race so Haas were further off the pace. The Renault was a better car all season so of course Hulkenberg outscored both Haas drivers - put either of the Haas drivers intothat Renault and they'd both have scored more points.
The Renault wasn't that much better... in 2017 and 18 Renault have had a way better performance
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Hopefully I'm following the logic:

Vettel should leave Ferrari because they are rubbish.
Grosjean should be dumped because the Haas is rubbish.
Hulkenberg should get a seat because he outperformed a rubbish car.
Hamilton should move to Ferrari, even though it's a rubbish car.
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The Renault wasn't that much better... in 2017 and 18 Renault have had a way better performance
5th out of 10 manufacturers?
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5th out of 10 manufacturers?
Well, Toro Rosso finished behind Renault in the standings, but Kvyat - another driver I'm not sure about if he really still should have a seat - has shown poor performances (with the exception of Hockenheim) and yes, two podiums, but they been very inconsistent.
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Hopefully I'm following the logic:

Vettel should leave Ferrari because they are rubbish.
Grosjean should be dumped because the Haas is rubbish.
Hulkenberg should get a seat because he outperformed a rubbish car.
Hamilton should move to Ferrari, even though it's a rubbish car.
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Hamilton should proof himself in a car that isn't among the two best, like Schumi did back then when he moved to Ferrari.
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Hamilton should proof himself in a car that isn't among the two best, like Schumi did back then when he moved to Ferrari.
You make it sound like it was all Schumacher's doing. I think his results at Ferrari would have been a far different story had Ferrari not employed the likes of Byrne and Brawn etc to design build and develop such quick cars.

In the same way as I think it was you that suggested in another post that Hamilton should go to Haas to 'do a Schu'. Put Hamilton in last year's Haas and I doubt he would have got a podium, let alone wins and a title. The car is far more of the result than the driver these days.
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You make it sound like it was all Schumacher's doing. I think his results at Ferrari would have been a far different story had Ferrari not employed the likes of Byrne and Brawn etc to design build and develop such quick cars.

In the same way as I think it was you that suggested in another post that Hamilton should go to Haas to 'do a Schu'. Put Hamilton in last year's Haas and I doubt he would have got a podium, let alone wins and a title. The car is far more of the result than the driver these days.
Actually, Byrne and Brawn joined Ferrari one year after Schumi. The 96 car was ever worse than the 95 one, nevertheless Schumi would win three races, more than Ferrari did in the previous five seasons put together. Of course they wouldn't have become title contenders in 97 already without Byrne and Brawn, but Schumacher definitely did more developing than Hamilton.

On Hamilton at Haas we agree, it may turn out to be the same as Hamilton's 2nd McLaren journey.
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Actually, Byrne and Brawn joined Ferrari one year after Schumi.
Great wins in 1996 for sure, but all in non-typical circumstances IIRC.
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