Is the HSCC Guards Trophy the budget compromise?

simon drabble · 5 Mar 2009, 16:37 (Ref:2409684)

The calender for this year looks pretty good with a smattering of 40 minute races and of course the 3 hour Snett race.
Interestingly the 2 hour HRSR slot at Silverstone Int meeting is up for grabs as the tin tops dont want it... why dont we in Guards Trophy ask HSCC to swap our 40 minute race for it so HRSR get what they want and we get what we love??!!
Comment elsewhere on the Chevrons needs to be put into context - they are an invitation class so if enough sportscars enter they do not get to race... the championship was won by Robert Barrie last year in his 911 and by an MGB the year before...

zefarelly · 5 Mar 2009, 19:54 (Ref:2409808)

the tin tops do want it . . .well I do, but I think it was felt the risk was greater than offering it to a few others . . . wise given the climate.

a shame the tin tops turns into a sprint as opposed to a 40 minute or 1 hour though, a 1 hour tin top and 1+ guards would be great, and it would keep it all under the HSCC umbrella

fasted · 5 Mar 2009, 22:03 (Ref:2409929)

Quote:

Originally Posted by simon drabble

Guards Trophy ask HSCC to swap our 40 minute race for it so HRSR get what they want and we get what we love??!!
.

I agree entirely. Consider yourself nominated

simon drabble · 6 Mar 2009, 08:17 (Ref:2410120)

well I have dropped them an email so hopefully if enough people make their voice heard they will do it - maybe we can get a poll going on this thread? I dont know how to do it so will need some help and retitle the thread so it gets the exposure... this must be the peoples court Ms Harman was referreing to...!!!

zefarelly · 6 Mar 2009, 08:24 (Ref:2410125)

well we all know how (self) important ten tenthers are

simon drabble · 6 Mar 2009, 09:28 (Ref:2410160)

Actually it seems I have jumped the gun (as usual) and there is not a 2 Hour HSCC race at Silverstone - shame....

Teddington Ted · 6 Mar 2009, 11:18 (Ref:2410235)

Simon

Just on your opening question rather than the Classic, I am switching to Guards from Historic Roadsports this year mainly because I think it is great value for the longer races. It's a bit of a mystery to me why more pre-66 FIA spec GT cars don't do it given the strong grids for those cars in races organised by Masters etc.

Just need to paint the car now and screw the new hardtop down (it's a Morgan).

Cheers

M

simon drabble · 6 Mar 2009, 11:35 (Ref:2410255)

I totally agree - I have suggested that maybe HSCC should just put 1 hour races on for Guards. I do think a lot are put off by the B8's which is ironic as they are there to make up the numbers, if enough GT's came in they get bumped off!

fasted · 6 Mar 2009, 13:37 (Ref:2410371)

Witness the excellent grid at the 2008 Gold Cup where the GT cars were segregated from the sports racers

simon drabble · 6 Mar 2009, 13:49 (Ref:2410380)

true but Fast Ed whilst clearly talking my book it is completely appropriate for little twin cam sports racers to be mixing it with the GT's based on what was happening in period...

fasted · 6 Mar 2009, 14:59 (Ref:2410438)

Quote:

Originally Posted by simon drabble

true but Fast Ed whilst clearly talking my book it is completely appropriate for little twin cam sports racers to be mixing it with the GT's based on what was happening in period...

Could I edit that to "Little twin cam sports racers producing 125BHP mixing it". In period maybe. but lately they simply bugger off into the distance and the next thing you see is three or four helmets zooming past. Unless of course they are Chevrons in which case they have already zoomed past.

simon drabble · 6 Mar 2009, 15:04 (Ref:2410439)

given how slowly I drive mine it could well be.....!!!

rogerwills · 6 Mar 2009, 18:27 (Ref:2410519)

Quote:

Originally Posted by simon drabble

true but Fast Ed whilst clearly talking my book it is completely appropriate for little twin cam sports racers to be mixing it with the GT's based on what was happening in period...

Agreed, but that means earlier twin-cam powered cars not B8s!

Also talking my own book.

My Elva is coming back together after my Goodwood BBQ. A new livery as well for 2009.

I plan to do a few Guards races including (especially) the 3 Hour which I think is one of the great races of the year, albeit at not the most exotic circuit.

simon drabble · 6 Mar 2009, 19:00 (Ref:2410538)

Yes it is a shame the 3 hour wasn't at the Silverstone int weekend but 3 hours is 3 hours and I hope that even in this tough climate its well supported as it would be gutting if that was dropped in 2010

rogerwills · 6 Mar 2009, 19:44 (Ref:2410568)

Actually I think Snetterton is better than Silverstone International.

SZRacer · 6 Mar 2009, 21:27 (Ref:2410611)

5 years ago, I would have laughed at this. However, I agree with you!

The improvements to Snetterton's infrastructure and ambience under jonathan Palmer have been dramatic, the track has been resurfaced, and now re-profiled. Plus, I hate the hairpin on the Silverstone International.

James

Quote:

Originally Posted by rogerwills

Actually I think Snetterton is better than Silverstone International.

zefarelly · 9 Mar 2009, 07:56 (Ref:2411901)

I can drive round the perimiter of Shoreham airport for free everyday, its just as uninspiring as Silverstone but with a better view.

simon drabble · 9 Mar 2009, 08:04 (Ref:2411904)

well at the risk of being contrarian I like Silverstone and especially the International Circuit as it is a technically challenging circuit not just relying on straight line speed... but it takes all sorts!!

zefarelly · 9 Mar 2009, 08:34 (Ref:2411923)

Its probably my favourite of the three, as it where but its a bit of an afterthought layout

I just don't like the place in general

**Peter Mallett** · 9 Mar 2009, 08:43 (Ref:2411929)

Quote:

Originally Posted by simon drabble

I like Silverstone and especially the International Circuit as it is a technically challenging circuit not just relying on straight line speed...

Agreed.

HRSTR5 · 9 Mar 2009, 15:06 (Ref:2412240)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Teddington Ted

Simon

Just on your opening question rather than the Classic, I am switching to Guards from Historic Roadsports this year mainly because I think it is great value for the longer races. It's a bit of a mystery to me why more pre-66 FIA spec GT cars don't do it given the strong grids for those cars in races organised by Masters etc.

Just need to paint the car now and screw the new hardtop down (it's a Morgan).

Cheers

M

Mark - Guards actually takes Pre-1969 cars, and having just obtained FIA HTP for the TR5 I too am contemplating enter a Guards Race or 2 for some longer runs. So you can't get away that easily!!!

James

simon drabble · 9 Mar 2009, 15:29 (Ref:2412254)

Quote:

Originally Posted by HRSTR5

Mark - Guards actually takes Pre-1969 cars, and having just obtained FIA HTP for the TR5 I too am contemplating enter a Guards Race or 2 for some longer runs. So you can't get away that easily!!!

James

that is only partially correct. There is an invitation class for sports racers upto 1969 - this is why the Chevron B8's are there... normal sports cars are pre 66 with FIA papers

one-two · 9 Mar 2009, 17:40 (Ref:2412337)

I think the invitation class as it stands will also accept pre-69 GT and GTS cars, but with a capacity limit of 2 litres. Best to check with the office. Robert

compte deGraves · 11 Mar 2009, 09:49 (Ref:2413504)

Quote:

Originally Posted by simon drabble

that is only partially correct. There is an invitation class for sports racers upto 1969 - this is why the Chevron B8's are there... normal sports cars are pre 66 with FIA papers

And therein lies the problem. It is just miserable being swamped by Chevron B8s when you are driving a 1960 Lotus Elite on very skinny wheels. It's not that I don't see the Chevrons but can anybody English explain why they always seem to give me a variation of Churchill's victory sign as they pass?

zefarelly · 11 Mar 2009, 10:00 (Ref:2413516)

I think the Chevrons etc are great but they're too quick/far advanced to be mixing it with 50's small capacity GT's, maybe open it up to pre66 obnly this year (and let a few different cars in . . . .like mine !!!)

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
HSCC - Derek Bell Trophy 2009 F5000&F2	diddy100	Historic Racing Today	16	16 Dec 2008 18:16
HSCC Snetterton Autosport Guards Trophy 3hr race meeting (9 & 10 June, 2007)	simon drabble	Historic Racing Today	165	16 Jul 2007 11:54
Will Driver's Weight and Height Compromise Speed?	Greenback	Formula One	32	14 Mar 2007 16:40
Budget for Megane Euro Trophy	hotwheels	Touring Car Racing	2	27 Mar 2006 13:53
How's this for a compromise?	Andrew Kitson	ChampCar World Series	37	27 Sep 2002 22:34