Period correctness vs You Tube

[henk4]

When sorting my action shots of this year, I came across this Lotus 19, at the recent Goodwood Revival. Now being well aware of the popularity of you tube, I think in this case the vanity of the driver has gone too far by installing not one, not two, but three recording devices on various places of the car.
Now, irrespective of the fact that these devices should not be visible in something serious like the Revival meeting, it does spoil a proper picture of the car. I have singled this one out, because it is the first time that I notice three cameras, but I could imagine that somebody would stand up and would at least propose to forbid these things mounted on roll bars. Do we have to wait until somebody gets seriously hurt when the camera hit somebody in the face when the car rolled? What if a camera falls off and finds a trajectory straight into a grandstand?

Anybody with me on this?

[Oran Park Forever]

You've got my vote henk!

I'll add to the 'period correct vs driver vanity' scenario by suggesting the colour scheme &/or signage of all historic vehicles must be original to it's era...........with NO current day logos (especially website tags)..........& even more so, NO current driver's names alongside the cockpit or across the windscreens etc.....unless it's the original driver repeating history!

Too many times you see a beautifully restored, period correct, famous race car with "Driver: Fred Jones" logos!

Also, when will BBS realise they'd make a killing by re-casting new versions of it's iconic "RS" wheels? Thousands of race cars worldwide of all shapes & sizes used them in the 70s & 80s, but now whenever these same cars appear at historic events they're rolling on the current BBS design.
Case in point: The 1987 Le Mans winning Rothmans 962 & '77 "Moby Dick" Porsches appeared in Australia recently & both were running the new wheels..........

just isn't the same!


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[delta]

Hmmmm not sure about this. If I ever get to race at the Revival I sure would like to have some nice memories of the race. Last year one of the FJ's we ran had an camera on board and the Goodwood press office asked to see the footage so as may be to use in their DVD. That cant be a bad thing Henk.

[andrewc]

OK if you all race in 1960's helmets and overalls as well.

[henk4]

Originally Posted by andrewc

OK if you all race in 1960's helmets and overalls as well.

I expected that comment, and I hope we can agree that at least helmets are a definite contribution to safety. I am not so sure about three cameras though.

[henk4]

Originally Posted by delta

Hmmmm not sure about this. If I ever get to race at the Revival I sure would like to have some nice memories of the race. Last year one of the FJ's we ran had an camera on board and the Goodwood press office asked to see the footage so as may be to use in their DVD. That cant be a bad thing Henk.

depends on where you put it....

[andrewc]

Do we know its driver vanity in that case or was it down to the mercy of the various tv stations which cover the Goodwood Revival? GoPro Hero HD cameras like that are used by many broadcasters for a comparatively inexpensive, yet high quality system.

[henk4]

Originally Posted by andrewc

Do we know its driver vanity in that case or was it down to the mercy of the various tv stations which cover the Goodwood Revival? GoPro Hero HD cameras like that are used by many broadcasters for a comparatively inexpensive, yet high quality system.

I actually had not thought of that, so we may end up with christmas trees of cameras on roll bars if every broadcasting company wants these sort of shots?

[Adam43]

Wow. Is the footage on youtube? I bet it looks great. I demand he puts it on youtube, after all he is racing for my pleasure.

A difficult one. I think cameras should be allowed, after all the bloke has paid a lot of money to get the car on the grid. He has taken the risk of photos like yours being 'ruined'. Nothing too garish though...

[andrewc]

Originally Posted by henk4

I actually had not thought of that, so we may end up with christmas trees of cameras on roll bars if every broadcasting company wants these sort of shots?

Actually I think the driver of that Lotus owns a TV station in Denmark.

Some footage will be shared, but a German TV station may want to concentrate on the famous Germans driving, whilst French TV may not be so interested in those particular drivers. I'm not referring to famous professional racing drivers, but more the regional celebrities who are not household names out of their own country.

[terence]

Originally Posted by andrewc

OK if you all race in 1960's helmets and overalls as well.

Amen to that! There are a handful of drivers who obviously think in the same way.As for the cameras,pity they couldn't be a little more 'hidden',but they are not 'that'obvious to the casual observer ie,spectators.

[henk4]

Originally Posted by terence bower

Amen to that! There are a handful of drivers who obviously think in the same way.As for the cameras,pity they couldn't be a little more 'hidden',but they are not 'that'obvious to the casual observer ie,spectators.

I think a period helmet will make you fail at srutineering...and perhaps a rule, one camera per car? and certainly not on the (top of the) roll bar?

[Al Weyman]

What difference does it make, who are we racing for ourselves or the spectator, if the later get yer hands in yer pockets and put some money in so we dont have to adorn our cars with all those nasty modern graphics. If as I suspect no money will be forthcoming then we need to get something back even if advertising our own businesses. Also if a driver/owner is trying to write some expenses back against tax then it makes sense he has to advertise the business on the side of the car, I bet in many cases its that or the car is never seen in any shape or form.

[simon drabble]

to be fair I cant recall seeing inappropriate decals on pre 66 cars and the Revival make it quite clear that they do not want to see them. In respect to the cameras v period helmets I fall somewhere between the two. I agree that 19 looks wrong with so many cameras but although I personally dont have one I see nothing wrong in one mounted on a rollbar. Re helmets I think anyone not taking advantage of modern saftey developments is stark raving mad!

[henk4]

Al, with due respect, I think graphics (and period livery) is an altogehter different subject, which we could debate at length, but probably not right here. (but as an interesting side story, a British driver who went at length this to prepare a Toj 3-litre sportscar in the correct period Warsteiner livery did not even receive an answer from the German brewers when asking for some support).

[SAMD]

Whatever you do! don't mention the war!





War? what war! I'm from Ireland.

[Al Weyman]

At an invite for Goodwood I agree, thats what they want, i.e. no modern graphics then thats fair enough, I am talking more club level stuff. As an aside I am renovating the Beige IROC Camaro that raced in the series between 1977 and 81 and just found this grainy old YouTube clip and Richard Petty is racing the very car so no points or prizes to guess the livery and name that will be going on the side of the car when its finished and it wont be mine or my company!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLr93R4BzA8

[henk4]

Originally Posted by Al Weyman

At an invite for Goodwood I agree, thats what they want, i.e. no modern graphics then thats fair enough, I am talking more club level stuff. As an aside I am renovating the Beige IROC Camaro that raced in the series between 1977 and 81 and just found this grainy old YouTube clip and Richard Petty is racing the very car so no points or prizes to guess the livery and name that will be going on the side of the car when its finished and it wont be mine or my company!!!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLr93R4BzA8

In closed cars cameras are not an issue either....or do you plan to mount them on the roof?
And yes, for places like the Monterey Historics, Le Mans Classic or Monaco HGP, I like to see the cars as period as possible (at least from the outside)
What you do during clubraces or even the Spa six hours, is entirely up to you, I would not mind...

[Geraint Owen]

One assumes that if you took the photo of the car in question at the Revival using a digital camera then you are skating on some very thin ice!!!!

[henk4]

Originally Posted by Geraint Owen

One assumes that if you took the photo of the car in question at the Revival using a digital camera then you are skating on some very thin ice!!!!

also a remark to be expected.... and if I had used film, the irritation about a spoiled picture would have been immensely greater.....
should we also ban mobile phones from the paddock?

[delta]

Just to change the subject I had a great evening the other day on the other side. Someone posted the Colin Chapman 1973 season with Lotus."if your not winning your not trying" blooming brilliant

[Simon Hadfield]

This is obviously going to be a very personal thing but I think these Go pro cameras hanging off the side of a historic car look dreadful - and yes I do have one, which has been used in testing - the rather more elegant "bullet" cams have the ability to be rather more discrete. Really there should be presentation scrutineering......

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by henk4

should we also ban mobile phones from the paddock?

now that I agree with!

[The SpeCTator]

I seem to remember seeing a certain GT40 at the Revival a few years back with Red Bull logos on it................until he was asked to remove them!

[Adam43]

There are quite a lot of special planes you only get to see at airshows if tere is a red bull logo on it.