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Old 23 Sep 2022, 14:11 (Ref:4126993)   #3181
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Anything involving The Avro Vulcan would get my vote, I was a huge fan and yes, it does remind me of my childhood.


Sorry to be pedantic but that was actually a different Vulcan which stopped 'flying' even longer ago...
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I feel a bit out of the loop, so I don’t really know what you’re referring to, but from the rest I get the idea.
Seems so. The rage, the controversy. It’s clicks and views.

It’s also tiresome.
Having just come back from the triple header of Spa-Zandvoort-Monza, the crowd issues were vastly overplayed in the media and online. No surprises there though.
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Old 26 Sep 2022, 08:27 (Ref:4127468)   #3183
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Glad you had a good time at those races. Going to those three would be enough to make any F1 fan jealous
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Mexico City has signed a new three-year deal to keep a Formula 1 Grand Prix until at least 2025

'The first race under the new contract with the circuit Hermanos Rodriguez will take place on 27-29 October next year.[...] In its latest iteration, Mexico has always been twinned with the US Grand Prix in Austin, Texas, which will be the case again next season.'
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Old 28 Oct 2022, 09:27 (Ref:4131733)   #3185
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Good to have Mexico on for a bit longer, it has been a great re-addition to the calendar and has a great following down there. Just wish they didn't change the circuit so much
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The circuit could do with adding an extra half mile to the lap length!
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The circuit could do with adding an extra half mile to the lap length!
It was adequate when built but there is no longer any extension space around it.
If lap time is the issue then are the cars too fast over a lap.
Or is it space to overtake (cars too wide? or fast?) or is it too many cars and not enough space (cars too big?).
Some earlier GP's had 28 entrants or more....

The simple answer is in the car regulations. much cheaper solution then building bigger circuits.
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Good to have Mexico on for a bit longer, it has been a great re-addition to the calendar and has a great following down there. Just wish they didn't change the circuit so much
Is five Grand Prix (in 2023) in North American too many?
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Old 31 Oct 2022, 06:21 (Ref:4132142)   #3189
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Is five Grand Prix (in 2023) in North American too many?
Not if you're American.
You can spend nearly 22% of the season at home....
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Is five Grand Prix (in 2023) in North American too many?
This is a can of worms. And given the historic Eurocentric nature of F1, anything that shifts the numbers away from Europe and also causes issues with historic races being removed from the calendar is always a heated topic. For example I am in the US, but I think it would be a travesty to loose Spa from the calendar. I think there is no right answer here.

So doing some imperfect analysis for 2023. If I use a basis of seven "continents" (Africa, Asia, Europe, North American, South American Antarctica and Australia), but also break out "middle east" given it is a region we commonly break out in discussions here, and lastly put Baku in Europe. I can show races per geo and geo races per billion population (my population numbers are rough, but probably close enough)

Percent of races
Europe - 42%
North America - 21%
Middle East - 17%
Asia - 13%
Australia - 4%
South America - 4%

Races per billion population
Australia - 32.3
Europe - 13.3
Middle East - 10.0
North America - 8.3
South America - 2.3
Asia - 0.7

Africa and Antarctica gets nothing.

The winners and losers are clear. Especially if you look at it based upon population. But I also know the above is not perfect at all and this may generate a good bit of gnashing of teeth from European fans as their percentage is shrinking. The biggest issue with my analysis is the question of interest. Interest in F1 is not evenly distributed. And interest needs to factor in somehow. If you ignore the emotion, then they need to balance races per demand.

Back to the topic of North America (Canada, USA, Mexico). Recent arguments has been that the demand for F1 in North America (really this means USA) has been low. But I don't think that is accurate. Miami was well attended. US GP at COTA was packed in my opinion. And who knows what will happen in Las Vegas (probably packed).

Lastly, as I point out in the US GP thread, I had to travel over 1,300 miles to attend my "Home GP". Miami would be slightly closer, but still significant distance when using European GP travel distances as baseline. The elephant in the room is that North America is huge from an area perspective and has a population that is close to all of Europe. And of course fans not in Europe (frankly in most the rest of the world) are pretty screwed when it comes to traveling to a "close" GP.

Overall, my comment is that five might be OK. Lets see what the attendance numbers are. But it also feels weird given for a long time it has been three, two or one (was it only Canada for awhile?) Frankly my biggest concern about those in the US are the cost. I think COTA is probably the most cost effective for general admission. I suspect Miami and Las Vegas may not be particularly price friendly for regular people.

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I'm seeing ga prices for Las Vegas is something like $500, or roughly half of a giraffe. With prices like that I can't see it lasting more than a couple years anyway. As with any novelty, why not make a few dollars while the fad is hot. We'll resume your regular Europe and middle Eastern programming following this special presentation.
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I'm ok with North America having 5 races.


I'm not ok with 24 races total.
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Five isn't too many, but 3 in the USA alone is
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Five isn't too many, but 3 in the USA alone is
How would you distribute (by country) five races in North America?

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How would you distribute (by country) five races in North America?

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Maybe two in the US at Austin and Vegas but include Miami as a Gulf of Mexico representative state and rotate the names calling it Cuban GP, GP of Dominican Republic, Jamaican GP, and Haiti GP..... Like Bernie did with San Marino...

They could simply go to a formal declaration of 3 GPs for each continent plus 5 traditional races (like Canada) and 1 rotating race each year. Africa would get three (include the Gulf states in Africa), Asia (Singapore, Baku, Japan), Europe 3 plus some traditional ones like Monza, Silverstone and Monaco, and then 3 for South America (Brazil, Bogata and Buenos Aires) and Australia can have three, maybe loan one to NZ.

That wouldn't upset the schedule to much....

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