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Old 13 Nov 2018, 20:08 (Ref:3863146)   #16
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I wondered why it has taken so long for this series to get off the ground - from memory wasn't the original car unveiled on April Fool's day 2016 ?
Yeah, which was a pretty poor idea since the result was a lot of people thought it was just a joke - and the car didn't help.

But the finalized specs were set in August and they got the first chassis shortly after. I think a 2019 debut is possible, but it will probably have an F3 Americas size grid for it's first season. (Appropriate given they chose to use the F3 Americas chassis)
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Old 13 Nov 2018, 21:08 (Ref:3863161)   #17
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Australia , like the UK has a Touring Car series which seems to dominate the national racing scene . Admittedly in recent years GT racing has made it's presence felt but as far as I'm aware the Australian Single Seater ladder begins with Formula Ford or Formula Four and at the moment ends with Formula Three . I didn't think Australian Formula Three was that well supported and from looking at results Formula Four ( as in the UK ) has struggled to reach double figures so where are the drivers for Formula Thunder 5000 going to come from ?
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Old 14 Nov 2018, 00:26 (Ref:3863200)   #18
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Thinking about this in the same way as the feeder championships is probably not the best way to go. This series, if successful, would not likely be a stepping stone the way F4 and F3 are - it'd be more apt to look at it as Australia's IndyCar. (though if the FIA is smart they'd give it a fair shake on Super License points, which COULD give it a boost)

A series that sits atop it's ladder isn't going to be looking solely at the drivers in the ladder leading up to it, after all, especially a series like S5000 that is likely more attractive to tin-top driver than the majority of open-wheel series.

On top of that, as the only modern F5000-like championship in the world, there may be appeal beyond just Australian participants. I personally know more than a few drivers right here in the USA that would happily jump into an S5000 car if they got the chance.

There are two countries in the world that I think can do a modern F5000 series: The US and Australia. If S5000 succeeds I hope we do our own version over here - whether a direct copy of how Australia's doing it, or in our own form(I've got a few ideas in how to make a successful modern F5000 without having to be all one-make about it - probably wouldn't work in Australia, but it'd have a good chance up here).
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Old 15 Nov 2018, 03:02 (Ref:3863391)   #19
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The prototype using the new chassis etc is due to cut some demo laps at Newcastle and then at the Adelaide Motorsport Festival: Story here
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I can only think of Formula Ford manufacturer Spectrum .
The S5000 car is also manufactured by Spectrum. However they do not have the capability to manufacture carbon tubs, so they are just fabricating all the bolt-on bits to go around an imported Ligier-Onroak Formula 3 tub.

The car also runs a local Hollinger gearbox instead of a Hewland or X-Trac, which is a nice touch.

It seems wildly unfeasible to expect more than one manufacturer, given the class is all about being as cost effective as possible! Hence the 5L lightly tuned road car engine, only making 580bhp and only costing around $20,000 (what, about 1/6th the price of a typical racing V8 engine for an open wheeler like a GP2 or Formula Nippon or 3000?).

The target price for a complete car is around $300,000... Less than a v8 supercar and half as much as a gt3 car --- potentially a good deal for a "proper" racing car, assuming there is enough series profile to attract sposorship.

The running cost will be far, far less than 1.2m euro budget for Formula 2... Albeit the car is far less sophisticated.

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Elvis might return sooner than this class ever turns a wheel.
It has already done demo laps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJfiDQm86SE

With very limited underbody downforce compared to other open-wheel cars (and the heavy production V8), they are going to be very slow compared to Formula 2 let alone Formula 1. Yet V8 Supercars are very slow yet quite popular, so it may not necessarily be a problem.

It seems promising. A professional class that can attract sponsorship and potentially break the dominance of the V8 Supercars series is most welcome.

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It has already done demo laps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJfiDQm86SE
I think he was referring to the actual S5000 car that will be used, not the proposed FT5000 chassis. Given the thread title, I can see how confusion may pop up.

Because of that, might I suggest moving further discussion to a more appropriate thread?

https://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=150413
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I think he was referring to the actual S5000 car that will be used, not the proposed FT5000 chassis.
From the bulkhead backwards, it will be exactly the same. Those old fashioned naturally aspirated rigs are rather simple things!
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From the bulkhead backwards, it will be exactly the same.

True, but everything from the bulkhead forward is going to be different, and that's well over half the chassis.
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RUBENS BARRICHELLO TO MAKE OPEN WHEEL RETURN IN S5000

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Elvis might return sooner than this class ever turns a wheel.

Yum yum this humble pie tastes great..

Its good to see its finally happening as I'm actually a big F5000 fan.
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RUBENS BARRICHELLO TO MAKE OPEN WHEEL RETURN IN S5000

https://www.s5000.com.au/f1-legend-r...turn-in-s5000/

excellent news although it's just for the season opener-
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Will be interesting to see how many run and where they sit on the "performance pyramid" via lap times.

In them olden days, F5000s were quick enough to make an F1 grid and to sometimes run in combined grids with F1 cars. These cars will be nothing like that quick in relative terms.

The FIA these days has a series of parameters that categories need to fit within and that ends up applying to the circuits they can run on, engine power, tyre / wing sizes etc. Australian circuits are category 3 and the car is built around an F3 tub (also category 3).

That means that the tyre sizes, wing sizes, power output are all restricted & whilst I'd expect them to be quicker than an F3 car, not sure how much quicker or how well balanced they'll be overall - certainly the demo runs at QR had the car looking like a big time understeerer but that may have just been how they were running it on that weekend.

Sandown with its long straights should play to the strengths of the category and no doubt they'll sound good so we'll all have a much better idea on the potential for this category once we see what happens there.
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Will be interesting to see how many run and where they sit on the "performance pyramid" via lap times.

In them olden days, F5000s were quick enough to make an F1 grid and to sometimes run in combined grids with F1 cars. These cars will be nothing like that quick in relative terms.

The FIA these days has a series of parameters that categories need to fit within and that ends up applying to the circuits they can run on, engine power, tyre / wing sizes etc. Australian circuits are category 3 and the car is built around an F3 tub (also category 3).

That means that the tyre sizes, wing sizes, power output are all restricted & whilst I'd expect them to be quicker than an F3 car, not sure how much quicker or how well balanced they'll be overall - certainly the demo runs at QR had the car looking like a big time understeerer but that may have just been how they were running it on that weekend.

Sandown with its long straights should play to the strengths of the category and no doubt they'll sound good so we'll all have a much better idea on the potential for this category once we see what happens there.
Sounds bit like what we had back along with the A1GP-F3 performance comparisons
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A few more drivers have been announced for the debut race at Sandown. As well as Rubens Barrichello, there is Tim Macrow, Tom Alexander, Matt Brabham, John Martin, Michael Gibson and Will Brown.

They have also announced a different kind of qualifying/race format, with two heat races that determine the grid for the feature race. After qualifying, the pole position winner gets to select their grid spot for the first heat, followed by subsequent drivers. The top 75% of the grid is then reversed for the second heat.

The announcement says that the results of the heat races will set the grid for the Main Race, but does not give details of how this is achieved. If nothing else it will ensure that things are not predictable!

https://www.s5000.com.au/radical-s50...o-excite-fans/
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