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9 May 2017, 20:05 (Ref:3732534) | #226 | ||
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Interesting that Plato is the mouth on the mike when he is the hero, but disappears when the going gets tough!
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9 May 2017, 20:12 (Ref:3732535) | #227 | |
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Something definitely fishy going on. The lack of testing, Plato's uncharacteristic absence from any media coverage, whether or not we'll ever hear the whole truth remains to be seen, but the way things are shaping up I feel we won't be seeing six cars from Warren's stable next year and even then 2-4 could be questionable if the numbers are to be believed.
You can't help thinking that this whole mess is Plato's doing and stems back a few seasons. I get the impression 888's issues started towards the end of Plato's third season in the MG and when he took his bat and ball and Faux home that spelt the end for them. What he didn't bank on when he started moving things into place at BMR was that the mess he'd left behind would suddenly be working out of the same workshop and siphoning off vital resources! |
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9 May 2017, 21:05 (Ref:3732543) | #228 | |
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Looking at the qualifying times, Sutton was actually slower than Plato in 2 of the 3 speed traps, yet quicker around every sector. Don't know if that's down to set-up or driving style but obviously able to carry more speed through the corners.
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10 May 2017, 04:07 (Ref:3732568) | #229 | ||
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They did mention in coverage that Sutton had been experimenting with a different ratio for 6th gear, so perhaps that was part of the speed trap figures?
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10 May 2017, 08:25 (Ref:3732619) | #231 | ||
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Look how much sponsorship Jordan and Goff had to plaster over the cars to get in to what turned out to be a mediocre pair of seats. True, there could have been some consequence too, things obvioulsy weren't rosey towards the end of his time there (though I think it was more a case of the grass is always greener on the RWD side that made him want to part ways). It also makes you wonder where he'd be if he'd pushed to get a different manufacturer on the grid and stuck with FWD? I know VW would be unlikely due to Diesel-gate but he went well in the Passat and had he put as much effort into bringing a better FWD contender into the pack rather than trying to bend the rules with the Franken-baru how the scene could be different? I'm not a Plato fan by any means but not having him at the sharp end does feel odd and loses some of the pantomime of the BTCC. |
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10 May 2017, 08:47 (Ref:3732621) | #232 | |
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Hardly bending the rules. The Subaru was the perfect car for the way the rules were written at the time.
Yes, he might have been a bit naive thinking the rules would stay that way but if the project had started a month earlier I wouldn't have bet against them taking manufacturers and drivers titles last season. |
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10 May 2017, 11:00 (Ref:3732642) | #233 | ||
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I think Subaru do have some right to feel hard done by. Honda seemingly enjoy a massive braking advantage through clever technical engineering that they have employed, I don't see too much of a difference with any kind of advantage Subaru had.
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10 May 2017, 11:15 (Ref:3732644) | #234 | |
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As mentioned, more from Bill Coombs at Thruxton on the Lloyd incident and Church...
http://www.touringcartimes.com/2017/...urch-incident/ |
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10 May 2017, 11:53 (Ref:3732646) | #235 | |
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eh? they all use exactly the same suspension and exactly the same brakes. even exactly the same amount and size of brake cooling ducts and brake pads. so how can the honda have a massive braking advantage. please explain?
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10 May 2017, 11:59 (Ref:3732647) | #236 | |
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Honda's "clever technical engineering" is nothing more than changing pads and discs after every session/race so that they always have maximum braking ability.
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I think people are also referring to Honda's clever use of the VTEC system to maximise engine braking on the 'low' cam. Again, hardly an unfair advantage as most modern engines now utilise some form of variable valve timing, just that NBE have managed to get the most out of it for this application. And those who choose to use the Swindon unit have done so because they don't want to spend on developing their own power unit.
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10 May 2017, 14:48 (Ref:3732667) | #239 | ||
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If thats the reason they can brake 4-5 metres later than everyone else then I think all teams would be changing brakes after every race.
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Given the budgets involved, I'm sure all teams would love new discs and pads every session but they accept a compromise. |
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If they're fresh every race, and presumably for qualifying, that means 4-6 sets of discs and pads per car every weekend. Not sure everyone could afford that.
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10 May 2017, 20:26 (Ref:3732719) | #244 | |
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I don't think that it is just the Subarus that suffer from that. It's clearly affecting the Motorbase Fords and the Team HARD CCs.
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10 May 2017, 21:01 (Ref:3732726) | #245 | |
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No, I think the problem there, is (with a couple of exceptions) that the drivers of said cars aren't exactly at the sharp end of the pack to begin with!
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The Subaru's current strength is in the corners (as acknowledged by Sutton and Scott). The problem Plato refers to is getting held up in corners by slower cars. The Fords seem to struggle with delivery of power, which gives them less driveability that is highlighted by lack of experience. The CC's had all their early development on the GPRM parts, and seem to be struggling to get the RML parts to perform. |
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I think Motorbase have been shafted with BOP - no power - this is the risk with a BOP formula. One week you are quick then in the blink of an eye you have a scrap car / team and you cannot control it.
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