Zolder 24hrs,22-23 August. - Page 3

Gingers4Justice · 18 Aug 2009, 21:20 (Ref:2523983)

Looking at this entry list, it looks very similar to Britcar 24hr, which will be back on next year. They could boost quality and entry, surely, by having a strong link between the two?

Speed-King · 19 Aug 2009, 14:23 (Ref:2524412)

First practise is underway - there seems to be no regular HTML/Java/Flash-T&S, but you can download a Timing Client here,
Suppossedly the same as used by the teams.

23 cars have already turned a lap, let's see how many it'll be at the end of the session.

AndrewF31 · 19 Aug 2009, 19:10 (Ref:2524548)

The Opel Astra in GT format looks rather funny. I thought the Scirocco at the N24 was funny. The Astra beats it.

Nice to see those bulky Vipers driving around still.

And the Ford Mustang is really nice: http://www.24u.be/picture_gallery/2/180/20.jpg

GTfour · 19 Aug 2009, 20:59 (Ref:2524624)

Only 29 cars for a 24 hour race...that is rather bleak. Well,we'll cheer them on anyhows. Let's be thankfull there still are teams willing to spend the dough to run their machines.
Indeed a shame Cor Euser won't be there

. Then again,we will have two GTS-R Vipers and a GT500 Mustang to look forward to...

Speed-King · 19 Aug 2009, 21:11 (Ref:2524628)

They didn't have more cars the last two years... and it was probably naive to think that the new organizers could turn things around within one month.

The quality is there, but I'd really have liked more small touring cars - as originally promised.

Dead-Eye · 19 Aug 2009, 21:48 (Ref:2524657)

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Originally Posted by AndrewF31

The Opel Astra in GT format looks rather funny.

Haven't seen any pics - is that an ex DTM car?

AndrewF31 · 19 Aug 2009, 21:52 (Ref:2524659)

You can see the photos on the official site.

Here's the Astra http://www.24u.be/picture_gallery/2/640/23.jpg

MTE Racing (#23)
Opel Astra Silhouette (Division 4B – Class S2)

Probably not the DTM car.

Dead-Eye · 19 Aug 2009, 21:54 (Ref:2524661)

No, definitely not. I think there's a series in France running such machinery...

tatounet · 20 Aug 2009, 09:36 (Ref:2524903)

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Originally Posted by Dead-Eye

No, definitely not. I think there's a series in France running such machinery...

It's a " solution F " nissan engine inside

GTfour · 20 Aug 2009, 21:22 (Ref:2525228)

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Originally Posted by tatounet

It's a " solution F " nissan engine inside

Nissan engine? That's odd? What kind? V6? Turbo 4?

Jimmy Magnusson · 20 Aug 2009, 21:32 (Ref:2525235)

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Originally Posted by Dead-Eye

No, definitely not. I think there's a series in France running such machinery...

That series is a "was" since a few years back as far as I can remember...

AndrewF31 · 20 Aug 2009, 22:25 (Ref:2525248)

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Originally Posted by tatounet

It's a " solution F " nissan engine inside

A Nissan in an Opel chassis? I guess that's why they call it Opel Astra Silhouette

Speed-King · 20 Aug 2009, 22:57 (Ref:2525264)

AFAIK it is basically the same chassis as in the Renault Megane Trophy Cars, only with a less powerfull, but cheaper version of the Renault/Nissan V6 engine and a different Silhouette. There are also cars with a BMW 1series or Audi A3 silhouette...

AndrewF31 · 21 Aug 2009, 06:27 (Ref:2525354)

That's really silly. They're trying to apply the single seater methodology to GT and Touring Car racing? lolol

A chassis and an engine.

Next we'll see a Corvette silhouette with a Lada engine!

Speed-King · 21 Aug 2009, 07:00 (Ref:2525363)

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Originally Posted by AndrewF31

That's really silly. They're trying to apply the single seater methodology to GT and Touring Car racing? lolol

A chassis and an engine.

Next we'll see a Corvette silhouette with a Lada engine!

Actually, it's not the first series like that. V8STAR and Stockcar Brazil use(d) the same concept and the new BTCC-regs are dangerously close to it with the option of installing a non-branded TOCA-supplied engine and spec subframes.

GT2-R · 21 Aug 2009, 13:46 (Ref:2525556)

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Originally Posted by AndrewF31

That's really silly. They're trying to apply the single seater methodology to GT and Touring Car racing? lolol

A chassis and an engine.

Next we'll see a Corvette silhouette with a Lada engine!

Actually, Silhouette cars are nothing new or silly

. They've been racing in France and Belgium for a while now. Silhouettes are much cheaper in maintainance than touring cars and GT's of the same speed. Most of them have a magnificent sound. In the BTCS (Belgian Touring Car Series) we have Audi, Opel, KIA, Renault, Jaguar, BMW, Mazda Silhouette cars (also Peugeot and Ford in the past). These Silhouettes are pretty fast. In qualifying, the Renault driven by Kumpen/Goossens/Soulet/Sougnez did 1:34:040 (against 1:33:909 for the fastest GT3).

Gingers4Justice · 21 Aug 2009, 17:36 (Ref:2525671)

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Originally Posted by AndrewF31

Next we'll see a Corvette silhouette with a Lada engine!

If you're going to take the micky out of silhouttes, surely you'd put it the other way round? The whole point is to "supe" up the cars!

helgi · 22 Aug 2009, 07:26 (Ref:2525921)

I think only Germans are succesful with building silhouettes. And I'm not sure they find them silly. That cars are half a minute faster than not-silly machinery - that's funny.
And, please, respect others' points of view if you don't want your ones to be laughed at. Believe me, I can tell a lot about 'silly' equalized GT3 formulae and some other 'real' cars.
Respect interlocutors, please.

And all the best wishes to the new bosses of Belgian GT. I wish they'll be able to make a really interesting championship with different classes based on real sport principles and not on equalized entertaining!

AndrewF31 · 22 Aug 2009, 08:26 (Ref:2525960)

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Originally Posted by GT2-R

Actually, Silhouette cars are nothing new or silly

. They've been racing in France and Belgium for a while now. Silhouettes are much cheaper in maintainance than touring cars and GT's of the same speed. Most of them have a magnificent sound. In the BTCS (Belgian Touring Car Series) we have Audi, Opel, KIA, Renault, Jaguar, BMW, Mazda Silhouette cars (also Peugeot and Ford in the past). These Silhouettes are pretty fast. In qualifying, the Renault driven by Kumpen/Goossens/Soulet/Sougnez did 1:34:040 (against 1:33:909 for the fastest GT3).

But do the Audis, Opels, etc. have an engine from the same manufacturer/model? Checked on the website and, since its in French or Dutch, I had to try the French side and they say "Audi A4", "Renault Megane". Nothing about silhouettes.

So sticking a Nissan (370 Z, for instance) engine into the silhouette of an Opel Astra is cheaper than buying a 370 Z?

I didn't disrespect other's point of view. I just find these silhouettes strange.

tatounet · 24 Aug 2009, 12:56 (Ref:2527276)

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Originally Posted by AndrewF31

But do the Audis, Opels, etc. have an engine from the same manufacturer/model? Checked on the website and, since its in French or Dutch, I had to try the French side and they say "Audi A4", "Renault Megane". Nothing about silhouettes.

So sticking a Nissan (370 Z, for instance) engine into the silhouette of an Opel Astra is cheaper than buying a 370 Z?

I didn't disrespect other's point of view. I just find these silhouettes strange.

The solution F company based in south France made this proto with the Astra GDC body. A championship type " Arrives and Drive " was created in 2006 called "touring cup " It was not really a succes but some cars have now a second life in the Belgian championship. Like : http://www.gomez-competition.com/dev...uring_cup.html

This Year 2 teams decided to change the original front Astra plastic body into Audi/bmw but are individual initiative.

Pictures of the Audi solution F

The car is reliable, funny and the budget for a season below 100.000 €

Speed-King · 24 Aug 2009, 13:20 (Ref:2527286)

...and sometimes they have great exhaust flames!

Just came back from the track (we decided to take on the 5hour drive after a proper night of sleep instead of driving home directly after the race) and I had a great time.
The Prospeed Porsche vs Delahaye battle in the middle of the night was truly spectacular when whoever was in the Prospeed car then started turning qualifying laps and reeled in first the First Porsche Cup-S and then the Renault Megane. Unfortunately they lost that advantage during the next stint and were behind the Megane after the next round of stops - that was when I finally decided to get a few hours of sleep and when I came back the Megane was no more...

GTfour · 24 Aug 2009, 19:54 (Ref:2527477)

It surely was a nice race. The car that did it for me however,was the Ford Mustang GT500KR. What a sound! 600 brake at 7800rpm's. Too bad it had big trouble with the diff during the night,'cost them many hours and any chance of a decent classification.

insanity_mc · 25 Aug 2009, 12:27 (Ref:2527887)

Hey guys,

Our pictures of the Zolder 24H are online.

www.motorsports-online.net

Some Teasers:

Greetings,

insanity

GTfour · 25 Aug 2009, 17:23 (Ref:2528070)

Great pics insanity! And not just of the cars!

AndrewF31 · 25 Aug 2009, 20:27 (Ref:2528157)

Wow! I forgot about the cars when I got to page 2!

But I have to admit, that Mustang is one hot car!

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