Chevron B42

[allenbrown]

Who did you buy it from Roger? Did it have the Rover V8 when you bought it? Maybe we can trace it back that way.

[ROGER JORDAN]

Hi Allen Bought it as a rolling chassis, unfortunately lost contact with the seller, he bought it from a dealer up north I believe, I fitted the Rover from the Brabham BT35X, cheers Roger.

[driftwood]

dealer up north sound slike Amoco Bob Howlings

[allenbrown]

This look familiar Roger?



Wiscombe 1986. Copyright Steve Wilkinson 2006. Used with permission.

Allen

[Chris Townsend]

Along with chassis 18 [the ex Kallay car] this has to be one of the favourites for the Trevor Templeton car. According to Richard Young that car went to Pat Speer in 1981. Roger, do those names ring any bells? Would it be that the car had been climbing and sprinting in Northern Ireland

Chris

[allenbrown]

Winstanley is another possibility for the dealer up north, as is Brannigan.

[ROGER JORDAN]

Thanks for photo Allen, happy memories, Chris, no luck with those names I`m afraid though Bob Howlings would be a likely source, will make a phone call tomorrow which will also throw some light on a BT30, Regards Roger.

[driftwood]

Flicking through AS adverts nov Dec 1980 i find for sale
AMCO B42 Hart £10k
ex daly gibson ici B42 roller in FA spec day 01232 eve 01247 tel nos
b42 hart for sale £8750 tel 01532

so chaps who had these cars in 1980?

[driftwood]

Found libre seasonal survey report Dec 1980 it mentions Brian robinosn asa chevron b42/b48 driver
is that insinuating he ran a b42 car updated to b48 or the fact he races both models from his stables

[Dan Rear]

Originally Posted by driftwood

Flicking through AS adverts nov Dec 1980 i find for sale
AMCO B42 Hart £10k
ex daly gibson ici B42 roller in FA spec day 01232 eve 01247 tel nos
b42 hart for sale £8750 tel 01532

so chaps who had these cars in 1980?

Howlings/AMCO had 42-05 thru' 1980. The Gibson car is ex-Daly (-02?) used in Irish FAt in 79-80. The B42 Hart with Leeds tel no., is I presume the exWarren B car,-16, that he sold to Phil Bennett, the latter being Leeds based.

[allenbrown]

01532 is Leeds; 01232 is Belfast; 01247 is Co Down area.

Allen

[driftwood]

well that answers that question warren booth for 1 car but who is the NI car owner?
refering to the comments earlier from Mr Jordan for the dealer up north
could it be Howlings or tony dean/ brian robinson

[Chris Townsend]

Well Gary Gibson used the ex Daly/Gibson car in 1980...
It was sold to Billy Gowdy for 1981

There were two B42s in Ireland in 1980 [at least]
Gibson's and one for Trevor Templeton

Chris

[driftwood]

im sure earlier in this thread b42 in IC colours is mentioned by the owner or friend of owner that the car is still there/ has run on demo races like Phoenix park
when you say "Ireland" are we talking of a car in the north or 1 in each of the north and south?

[driftwood]

ive flicked back to page 1 read thru i think its time for a full chassis number update with drivers names etc to be added in
Im sure a full list will unravel with some queries still being raised on some chassis numbers ie where are they now

[driftwood]

AS march 81 has tony dean selling his b42 and Brian robinson advertising the B48

[Chris Townsend]

As I'm into serious work postponement at the moment...

Chevron said to have built 21 B42s so I have accounted for this with some 'grey area' cars late season. Looking in detail at B29 build records and observed numbers in the field, it seems as though Chevron's practice with a written off tub was to ascribe its replacement a new number in the build record, but generally to leave that entry blank [sold as parts, not a new car] In some cases the owner would run with the new chassis number on [I'm basing this on Matt Spitzley's B29 which is one number in Chevron records but observed with another, which is blank in the record]
However, in the case of a car such as Opert's replacement for chassis 12, because the customs paperwork for the season would have that number on it, I'm guessing that the old plate would be applied to the new car.

1: Works development car for Patrese at Japanese GP 1977. Sold to Steve Millen early 1978, retained 1979. To Bob Donaldson 1980. Wayne Ford 1982 to 1984 then Wayne Walker to 1987, Murray Bateson 88-99, then Peter Larner

2: ICI team car for Patrese/Daly. 1979 John Stokes and Wayne Wainwright for British Atlantic and sometimes described as B45. f/s AS 3.4.80 p.81 'ex Daly works car'. To Chris Hodgetts, 1980 [just down the road from Stokes] and then to Patsy McGarrity. Retained 1981 then to Tony Skinner A/S 2.9.82 pp. 52-53 'ex ICI'

3: Trivatello for Gabbiani

4: Harald Ertl to Willi Siller, retained 1979. Now in central Europe?

5: John David Briggs. 1979 Brian Robinson, 1980 Bob Howlings, retained 1981 then to Stuart McPherson; Peter Taylor 1985-86

6: Opert: Boy Hayje, unknown 79-86 then Roger Jordan to date

7: Sc. Everest for De Angelis. Unknown 1979 then Bill Lord 80-81 f.s A/S 4.2.82 p. 60

8: ICI for Daly/Mansell probably fitted with new tub after accident. late 78 to Gary Gibson. MN 5.7.79 p. 14 'the same ex works chassis he took to two Euro F2 wins last year' [talking about Daly's entry in Gibson's car for Mondello 8/7/79] Billy Gowdy 1981 A/S 10.6.82 p. 60 ex Gibson and retained it seems to 1990 at least

9: ICI: Jochen Mass/Patrick Tambay/Arturo Merzario/Giancarlo Martini/Jean-Pierre Jaussaud/Harald Ertl [Hockenheim]; 1979 Germaine Garon/Hervé Regout

10: Briggs: Don Briedenbach

11: Not built

12: Opert: Eje Elgh w/o Donington replaced by "all new " car at Nogaro built at last minute MN 13.7.78 pp. 8-9

13: Not built

14: Trivatello: Giacomo Agostini, 1979: David Winstanley->Ken Brill, 1980 Terry Fisher [AS 14.8.80 p. 29 ex Agostini/Brill]; 1981 Ray Rowan [with plate 48.79.04] 1985 Stuart Ridge to 1988 David Seaton; to 1994 John Garnett [dealer] to Carl Amos; 1995 Carl Amos->Paul Gardner 1996 to Roger Murray; 1997 Steve Fitzsimmonds; 1999 Roger Murray->Simon Hadfield_>USA now owned Peter Gullick [USA]

15: Opert: Keijo Rosberg; 1979 Phil Bennett->Dave Rackham (FAt); 1980 David Mercer (FAt) retained 1981, 1982 Norman Paine, gap to 1985 Antonia Loysen [FL] gap to 1990 Terry Murphy

16: Briggs: John David Briggs, 1979: Warren Booth then f/s Jim Evans w. chassis no AS 27.9.79 p. 62, retained by Evans 1980, gap then 1986 Bob Juggins to 1990 the owner using cks.eps, to whom Drifty was so successfully offensive that he hasn't returned - our loss as much as his

17: Briggs: 1979 Brian Robinson 1980 Robinson running Tony Dean; 1981 Brian Robinson [I think that Robinson and Dean bought the Briggs cars between them as a team, running them in Briggs' colours which were very close to Dean's blue with gold pinstripe. When Dean disappeared for a few months to do her majesty's pleasure... Robinson kept the whole thing going, hence the swapping between chassis]

18: Kallay: Geoff Lees delivered 6 July 78

19: Briggs:, 1979 Tony Dean/Brian Robinson; 1980 Brian Robinson


Grey areas...

20: Opert: Eje Elgh [replacing 12 and probably carrying its plate for carnet purposes]

21: Tomy Racing: Masahiro Hasemi, retained 1979 1980 probably Kiyoshi Misaki [Suzuka FPac: Toyota engine] and probably at Macau where it is called a B45

22: Not built

23: late season rebuild of F2

24: late season rebuild of F2

Chris

[driftwood]

4: Harald Ertl to Willi Siller, retained 1979. Now in central Europe?
1 of my guys told me last year his friend bought this car-Car has chassis No. 42-78-04 and it is ex Harald Ertl / Willy Siller car. The engine is not original one from this chassis, was built new from scratch and it is BMW Schnitzer. he competes in historic hillclimb events may do euro F2 race near to him

16: Briggs: John David Briggs, 1979: Warren Booth then f/s Jim Evans w. chassis no AS 27.9.79 p. 62, retained by Evans 1980, gap then 1986 Bob Juggins to 1990 the owner using cks.eps, to whom Drifty was so successfully offensive that he hasn't returned - our loss as much as hiscar sold - advertised on Ebay i think sold before end of auction -anyway i was not offensive he lacked a sense of humour- i knew who he was u obviously didnt!

japan f2 cars i cannot recall if they had 2x B40 cars 1 B42 or 2 of each
I need to check my notes

[allenbrown]

No drifty, you were definitely offensive. Chris and I both knew who he was and we appreciated that if someone walks into a room, even a virtual one, and someone hiding behind a pseudonym starts making jokes at his expense, he'd be offended.

[driftwood]

caterham yes westfield no

[Dan Rear]

Who was he/is he, can we be told ? I'd love to meet drifty, if only to advise some typing skills, that may be at the root of his 'rudeness'...

Are we still, after all this time, sure Briggs had 5, I never recall seeing -10 quoted as his car..

[Chris Townsend]

Dan

Let's put it this way, Drifty helped blow access to a considerable volume of Chevron records...

Chris

[Chris Townsend]

The observant amongst you will have noticed that Cinotti is missing from the B42 list - that's because I think it was a B40 rebuilt to the new spec.

One of the late number chassis would be a replacement for an ICI car, and on the same grounds as Opert's rebuild, that number would never appear at a meeting, only as a blank in the records.

Chris

[driftwood]

Dan buy me 2 pints and i will listen to typing skill lesson!
chevron records u can mail the guy directly look him up on his website
Colman/Andreason have a list of records

[Chris Townsend]

If Tim Colman still has the B42 records why are we having this discussion?

Chris