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**bjohnsonsmith** · 15 Jun 2018, 15:26 (Ref:3829689)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Why would that be easier? It's obviously possible for sure, but surely the easiest and simplest option is to just not turn the system on or off, and allow the drivers to manage when they can and cannot use it?

WEC drivers manage multiple speed limiters due to slow zones. You wouldn't use the hybrid boosts during yellow. Lots of series have drivers manage systems without race control having to manage it for them. Why does race control have to control it? These are the best drivers in the world (apparently), so let them do it themselves and if they break the rules then slap them.

If Tracy Krohn can manage to not speed during slow zones in WEC, I'm pretty sure even Grosjean can manage not to press the DRS button at the wrong time. Although Ericson might press Grosjeans button for him when he isn't watching.

If it's that straightforward, then keep it on.

F1Guy · 30 Jun 2018, 07:26 (Ref:3833721)

F1 teams wanted more testing, so they got more testing in 2018.

Now F1 teams are asking for less testing!??

For 2019, it looks like there will be one 5 day pre-season test, and a 4 day in-season test.

F1Guy · 30 Jun 2018, 12:07 (Ref:3833749)

Charlie Whiting and the F1 stewards are considering opening up a very big can of worms!

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...dents-1053613/

I'm not too sure if this is the right move. There's just too many worms in that can.

F1Guy · 1 Jul 2018, 07:14 (Ref:3833869)

Are Charlie and Co trying to push the agenda mentioned in that article above by the penalty they handed out to Vettel last week, and then the penalty yesterday? One penalty was just too lenient, and this week it was a bit too harsh.

FiA want to look at the consequence of the actions of the offending driver, and hand out penalties to suit the consequence. Time to fit the crime so to speak.

S griffin · 1 Jul 2018, 10:05 (Ref:3833896)

Usually mistakes cost drivers enough, as it did for Vettel last weekend

**Aysedasi** · 1 Jul 2018, 11:04 (Ref:3833906)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

Usually mistakes cost drivers enough, as it did for Vettel last weekend

I disagreed then and I still disagree now.

ASCII Man · 2 Jul 2018, 10:10 (Ref:3834291)

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Originally Posted by F1Guy

Charlie Whiting and the F1 stewards are considering opening up a very big can of worms!

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/f...dents-1053613/

I'm not too sure if this is the right move. There's just too many worms in that can.

Why is it always after Lewis complains?

wnut · 2 Jul 2018, 10:54 (Ref:3834299)

What happened to Max's 5 sec penalty for casually nerfing Kimi out the way?

S griffin · 2 Jul 2018, 16:19 (Ref:3834323)

Just normal wheel to wheel contact there

Taxi645 · 2 Jul 2018, 20:50 (Ref:3834359)

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Originally Posted by wnut

What happened to Max's 5 sec penalty for casually nerfing Kimi out the way?

Kimi rightly didn't make a fuss about it cause he squeezed Max on the grass after turn 2 that very same lap. He tried playing hard on Max and got an appropriate rezponse. He knows the drill.

Taxi645 · 7 Jul 2018, 06:40 (Ref:3835121)

Good piece in AMS (German):

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...t-vor-porsche/

Hope FIA and Liberty hold strong or else it will only get worse and the whole show will be run by the manufacturers even more.

S griffin · 7 Jul 2018, 08:21 (Ref:3835131)

Apparently they are now thinking of awarding points down to 20th! So basically awarding points for turning up

EffectiveSprinkles · 7 Jul 2018, 10:22 (Ref:3835151)

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Originally Posted by Taxi645

Good piece in AMS (German):

https://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/...t-vor-porsche/

Hope FIA and Liberty hold strong or else it will only get worse and the whole show will be run by the manufacturers even more.

I don't get this attitude. People complain about manufacturers having a hold on the sport only to advocate... bringing in more manufacturers. In hope of what exactly? Porsche caring about what the 'fans' want?

And to suggest anyone is afraid of Porsche is ludicrous, as if VAG can afford any kind of racing programme above spec racing and PR-one offs these days

Taxi645 · 7 Jul 2018, 11:50 (Ref:3835165)

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Originally Posted by EffectiveSprinkles

I don't get this attitude. People complain about manufacturers having a hold on the sport only to advocate... bringing in more manufacturers. In hope of what exactly? Porsche caring about what the 'fans' want?

Currently the manufacturers power is an issue, because how F1's governance structure and powertrain regulations are set up. In the current situation the small teams are screwed. If that is fixed more manufacturers are of course welcome, but sign at the dots and no whining.

The problem is also that independent engine suppliers would have no chance are small/new teams would be too technically dependent on the manufacturers.

EffectiveSprinkles · 7 Jul 2018, 12:54 (Ref:3835180)

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Originally Posted by Taxi645

Currently the manufacturers power is an issue, because how F1's governance structure and powertrain regulations are set up. In the current situation the small teams are screwed.

And this whole kerfuffle addresses that how?

broadrun96 · 7 Jul 2018, 13:07 (Ref:3835185)

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Originally Posted by EffectiveSprinkles

And this whole kerfuffle addresses that how?

Because the hope is Liberty Media and the FIA make the rules instead of MB having tested the concept to perfection prior to introducing rules the FIA and FOM accepted in full without their own input. But try to actually discuss with people and learn instead of being the childish you're always wrong guy and you could pick up what others are discussing

F1Guy · 8 Jul 2018, 07:35 (Ref:3835350)

Latest news regarding the new engine rules for 2021 suggests Ferrari, Mercedes and Renault do not want the MGU-H component removed from the rules!

The MGU-H was destined to be scrapped for 2021, but the above mentioned 3 manufacturers now want it to stay. Honda the only one who have voted not to have MGU-H.

F1Guy · 8 Jul 2018, 07:41 (Ref:3835352)

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Originally Posted by S griffin

Apparently they are now thinking of awarding points down to 20th! So basically awarding points for turning up

Not entirely correct. F1 considering a new points system for 2021 with the following point system; 25-20-18-16-14-12-10-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1, 1st to 15th respectively.

Points for pole and fastest lap are also on the agenda.

I like this. Bring it on.

Racer65 · 8 Jul 2018, 08:16 (Ref:3835357)

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Originally Posted by F1Guy

Not entirely correct. F1 considering a new points system for 2021 with the following point system; 25-20-18-16-14-12-10-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1, 1st to 15th respectively.

Points for pole and fastest lap are also on the agenda.

They also discussed a point for every finisher so S Griffin was correct as none of these changes are actually rules at the moment so it's all under consideration.

Akrapovic · 8 Jul 2018, 09:32 (Ref:3835378)

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Originally Posted by F1Guy

Not entirely correct.

It is entirely correct.

“They’re considering whether the points system should go all the way down to 20, 20 being every car scores a point if they finish the race. Or whether 10 [cars scoring points] should be extended down to 15.

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/900610...strategy-group

F1Guy · 8 Jul 2018, 10:12 (Ref:3835386)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

It is entirely correct.

“They’re considering whether the points system should go all the way down to 20, 20 being every car scores a point if they finish the race. Or whether 10 [cars scoring points] should be extended down to 15.

https://www.crash.net/f1/news/900610...strategy-group

Ahh.. so who was it that said that?? That's right, the ever truthful, honourable and ethical Dr V. Mallya. I wonder if he's comment regarding points for all drivers is just his way of trying to squeeze more money out from FOM for his own selfish agenda?

Dr Truthful: “Of course, my comment also was that considering we have to pay [entry fee] for every point we score to the FIA, that will have to be looked at in parallel!”

Enough said.

Take note of the second line of that statement and let's see what happens in a few years shall we? Have a nice day.

EffectiveSprinkles · 8 Jul 2018, 10:14 (Ref:3835389)

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Originally Posted by broadrun96

Because the hope is Liberty Media and the FIA make the rules instead

Obviously, but once again I will ask how that solves anything? You did not answer my question but rather chose to answer a totally different question I did not even ask as an excuse to make a personal attack. Classy.

Anyway, the question stands. More manufacturers are wanted but at the same time their influence is also supposed to be diminished. It seems to me some people are completely missing the very strong relationship between manufacturers being in the sport and having influence in said sport.

If what you describe as 'the hope' happens, how many manufacturers will be left do you think?

Akrapovic · 8 Jul 2018, 10:22 (Ref:3835390)

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Originally Posted by F1Guy

Ahh.. so who was it that said that?? That's right, the ever truthful, honourable and ethical Dr V. Mallya. I wonder if he's comment regarding points for all drivers is just his way of trying to squeeze more money out from FOM for his own selfish agenda?

I'm so glad we have you here to correct the people who were actually at the meeting.

crmalcolm · 8 Jul 2018, 10:39 (Ref:3835397)

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Originally Posted by F1Guy

Ahh.. so who was it that said that?? That's right, the ever truthful, honourable and ethical Dr V. Mallya.

So when a number of news sources run with articles about the possibility of points down to 20 - we are supposed to ignore them because of your opinion of the reliability of the source?

I'm not sure we can trust you for consistency though?

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Originally Posted by F1Guy

Not sure who Sportowe-Fake-ty's experts are, but clearly it's fake news.

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Originally Posted by F1Guy

Polish media reporting on Kubica replacing Hartley...
https://sportowefakty.wp.pl/formula-1/758056/hiszpanie-komentuja-sytuacje-w-toro-rosso-zycie-kubicy-moze-sie-odmienic

Does this mean we have to wait a few weeks and you might portray Mallya as reliable?
Or are we supposed to wait until there is a weight of reporting that makes this credible?

Or can we just accept that the possibility of points down to 20th was discussed, and we can contribute productively to this forum on that basis?

F1Guy · 10 Jul 2018, 10:48 (Ref:3835847)

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Originally Posted by F1Guy

Latest news regarding the new engine rules for 2021 suggests Ferrari, Mercedes and Renault do not want the MGU-H component removed from the rules!

Story here...

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/e...sence-1058040/

What a mess this is turning into!?

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