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Old 25 Apr 2018, 20:23 (Ref:3817406)   #256
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Isn't the Horse Dead by Now??? (I am not referring to the TransAm series in its present iteration)
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Old 25 Apr 2018, 20:52 (Ref:3817415)   #257
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Isn't the Horse Dead by Now??? (I am not referring to the TransAm series in its present iteration)
I just checked, it's still twitching. I might have to take it to Iceland because they eat horse and they will make sure it's dead before they make it into something tasty to eat.
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Old 25 Apr 2018, 21:27 (Ref:3817420)   #258
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If anyone has recipes, now would be the time.

TransAm will never be what it was nearly 50 years ago. The current iteration is a sort of club/semi-pro series, struggling for traction in a world of sportscar series. Keep it simple so you are not penalizing the current competitors with endless upgrades that will have the effect of washing competitors out. Instead, have large fields of noisy cars that look kinda sorta what the public owns. Have the loud cars squirm around for traction.

Make sure hot dogs and beer are available from trackside vendors. Make it fun to go watch. Keep it simple.
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Old 25 Apr 2018, 22:35 (Ref:3817424)   #259
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If anyone has recipes, now would be the time.

Make sure hot dogs and beer are available from trackside vendors. Make it fun to go watch. Keep it simple.
In Iceland they have meat soup. So it's either Puffin or Horse. For hot dogs, I think they make them with the bazillion sheep they have all over the country. Nothing to write home about but they think they are the greatest. It's like the Germans and their Currywurst. It's OK but nothing that I gotta have. If I want good food, I just park myself in Italy and call it a day.

Honestly, a brat, corn on the cob and a beer at Road America beats everything. Simple and gets to the point. Start the day with an egger and you can pretty much skip lunch.
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Old 25 Apr 2018, 22:51 (Ref:3817425)   #260
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TransAm will never be what it was nearly 50 years ago.
Or, more importantly, 20 years ago when it was at it's most popular in terms of eyeballs on product.

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That's the entire idea behind this "TA1.5" concept. Even though the TA1 cars are relatively simple, they're still quite complex and expensive by comparison. Though it's actually more a LACK of upgrades that's the real problem right now - the engines, which are mostly previous-generation NASCAR engines, are starting to get harder to source parts for, and repairing chassis is a lot more labor-intensive due to them being of some VERY old and overbuilt designs.

It would probably be possible to upgrade the current crop of TA1 cars in a way that could bring their costs down with no change in performance, but it'd almost certainly be easier and still cheaper to just make upgrade kits for TA2 cars to achieve the same goal.
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Old 26 Apr 2018, 00:52 (Ref:3817434)   #261
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Or, more importantly, 20 years ago when it was at it's most popular in terms of eyeballs on product.
You must be young, because TA was not at a peak 20 years ago. They were great in the early 70's and then fell off a cliff. Then they had some success in the late 70's when teams were jumping from IMSA to TA. Sort of like when Peter Gregg was ticked at IMSA and went to run TA because of the rules (which we call BOP today) and then he'd go back to IMSA when he had it with TA (sound familiar).

80's saw a resurgence of TA because Can Am finally bit the dust and SCCA Pro had to make it work so they just copied the GTO rules and called it a day. Then Audi screwed that all up and then it just reverted to no tech thus finally gave up the ghost in the early 90's. After that, it just ran on life support and survived like all racing did with the dot.com boom. After that bubble burst, it tanked.

In the last 20 years it became a multi class series because TA1 was on a crash course with the inevitable (which was death). As for today, it's a 2-3 car TA1 class with a few field fillers. TA2 is healthy with the rest being a bunch of one offs. As usual, let's take the one bright spot (TA2) and ruin it. As we all know, the rich teams don't mind spending more money, as for the rest, they park the cars and sell them on ragingjunk. I the end. TA can be like IMSA and PWC where they are celebrating their record number of entrants for a specific class yet the overall never goes up. Case in pint, PWC at VIR. Just hanging around 100 entrants no matter what the rules are.

In the end, TA has been off of everyone's radar since the mid 90's. All they do is relive the old days. it is pretty funny that the best race team of all time reverted back to a tumor chassis. Never seen that coming......
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Old 26 Apr 2018, 01:42 (Ref:3817437)   #262
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in the late 70's when teams were jumping from IMSA to TA. Sort of like when Peter Gregg was ticked at IMSA and went to run TA because of the rules (which we call BOP today) and then he'd go back to IMSA when he had it with TA (sound familiar).

Then Audi screwed that all up
Gregg ran the 934 in TransAm because IMSA did not want the 934. Gregg simultaneously ran the BMW CSL program in IMSA. Jo Hoppen was able to convince IMSA that the 934 would fit nicely into their program, which happened in 1977. TA was left in the dust.

Don't speak ill of Audi, that Quattro had a sound for the ages.
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Old 26 Apr 2018, 10:24 (Ref:3817485)   #263
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You must be young, because TA was not at a peak 20 years ago.
In the mid 90s, AKA, 20 years ago, Trans Am had it's highest TV viewership and close to(if not the) highest at-track attendance levels in it's history. That is all I was referring to when I say it peaked. After GM and Ford both pulled out, it indeed went downhill VERY fast thanks in no small part to some poor management decisions culminating in the death knell when it was sold to Paul Gentilozzi.

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As usual, let's take the one bright spot (TA2) and ruin it.
And once again, we come back around to the notion that "TA1.5" will somehow "ruin" TA2 even though that assertion makes ZERO SENSE with the idea that's being laid out.

Allow me to say this one more time as clearly as can be said... The TA1.5 idea is NOT meant to replace TA2. TA2 teams can still run their cars as they are in the TA2 class if they do not wish to upgrade. If the idea does not gain traction then TA1 can be done away with completely and unmodified TA2s could be elevated to headline status.

The entire idea is meant as an effort to cut costs while preserving what makes Trans Am unique, and to so in a manner that not only has a built-in fallback if it fails, but has that fallback running alongside the new idea so that said fallback won't be wiped out.

To say this idea would "ruin" TA2 is like saying the Ginetta G57 ruined LMP3 - I don't think you'll find many people asserting this to be the case.

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In the end, TA has been off of everyone's radar since the mid 90's. All they do is relive the old days. it is pretty funny that the best race team of all time reverted back to a tumor chassis. Never seen that coming......
I think Autocorrect got you, and you meant 'tuber' chassis. The 'best race team of all time' is Dyson?
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Never heard of Spring Mountain. Cool Portland get a race though.
Indeed, we are back there again next weekend, July 29th! Check out our Camaro about to leave on the hauler from Atlanta this weekend...

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