Toro Rosso seat n2?

ace007 · 3 Sep 2013, 11:18 (Ref:3298279)

Who should be signed next to Vergne?

BSchneiderFan · 3 Sep 2013, 12:25 (Ref:3298309)

Should, or will?

ace007 · 3 Sep 2013, 12:34 (Ref:3298313)

Should and will...

**BertMk2** · 3 Sep 2013, 12:57 (Ref:3298318)

Da Costa is the obvious candidate isn't he?

jsTrecu · 3 Sep 2013, 13:26 (Ref:3298330)

Are there other realistic choices besides him ?

**bella** · 3 Sep 2013, 14:09 (Ref:3298342)

that would depend on what red bull know that we don't about sainz and kvyat i suppose. common sense says that a season in gp3 does not prepare a driver for f1, but this *is* f1 and red bull we're talking about!

**bjohnsonsmith** · 3 Sep 2013, 14:34 (Ref:3298349)

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Originally Posted by BertMk2

Da Costa is the obvious candidate isn't he?

According to this Autosport article he is.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109627

jsTrecu · 3 Sep 2013, 14:35 (Ref:3298350)

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Originally Posted by bella

that would depend on what red bull know that we don't about sainz and kvyat i suppose. common sense says that a season in gp3 does not prepare a driver for f1, but this *is* f1 and red bull we're talking about!

Yes, that's why I said realistic. Don't know if it's too early for those two. Strange things happen in F1, so it's possible.

**bella** · 3 Sep 2013, 14:53 (Ref:3298355)

it would be decidedly weird of them to not promote da costa, but put sainz in ahead of him.

as for non-realistic pie in the sky suggestions, as per a comment on another thread somewhere i really want them to give the drive to frijns, on the understanding that it's till one of their juniors is good enough. there's no-one out there in the right place at the right time with more talent.

jsTrecu · 3 Sep 2013, 15:17 (Ref:3298368)

I don't like to be driven by the hype created by the media, but now I wonder what can Da Costa be able to do.

Beryl · 3 Sep 2013, 17:44 (Ref:3298419)

Da Costa is the only candidate. Sainz and Kvyat are nowhere near ready.

cds_uk · 3 Sep 2013, 19:36 (Ref:3298458)

I thought Nasr's name had cropped up in relation to the seat?

ace007 · 3 Sep 2013, 19:42 (Ref:3298462)

Yes he has. And he does have serious Brazilian back-ups which always help... Anybody else worth mentioning at this stage?

I read Frinjs but he has been outqualified by Lancaster this year... What about Valsecchi? Bird? Magnussen?

peebee2 · 3 Sep 2013, 20:29 (Ref:3298483)

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Originally Posted by ace007

What about Valsecchi? Bird? Magnussen?

You really aren't likely to succeed in getting an F1 seat based on this sudden self-promotion all over the site.

ace007 · 3 Sep 2013, 21:18 (Ref:3298513)

I thought this site was about exchanging ideas but apparently not... Not sure where the self-promotion idea comes from but I prefer to stand for what I believe in and discuss drivers' ability and potential rather than getting personal. And if you ask me, yes I do believe Bird deserves more acknowledgement in this site than he has had in the past. That is not called self-promotion but a personal opinion. In the same way, others believe Frinjs has done enough to make the F1 grid and I personally dont. As simple as that.

**GTRMagic** · 3 Sep 2013, 22:26 (Ref:3298557)

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Originally Posted by bella

it would be decidedly weird of them to not promote da costa, but put sainz in ahead of him.

as for non-realistic pie in the sky suggestions, as per a comment on another thread somewhere i really want them to give the drive to frijns, on the understanding that it's till one of their juniors is good enough. there's no-one out there in the right place at the right time with more talent.

Is there an announcement somewhere that Mr Vergne is returning to the team in 2014?

Perhaps Red Bull could bring Mr Sainz Jr and Mr Da Costa into the squad... stranger things have happened with these guys...

**bella** · 3 Sep 2013, 22:32 (Ref:3298559)

there's no announcement, but they have said a few times so far that his seat isn't in question. they're very keen to point out he's a bit behind ricciardo in terms of f1 experience but once he reaches the half season mark next year i suspect there will be a lot of pressure for him to perform in an epic way consistently. presumably if he did perform aforementioned miracles ricciardo would find himself being watched very closely too.

**GTRMagic** · 3 Sep 2013, 22:55 (Ref:3298579)

Many more direct comparisons will be able to be made in 2014 when the 4 Red Bull cars share Renault powerplants, common RBT gearboxes and common RBT/Renault KERS installations....

**bella** · 3 Sep 2013, 23:08 (Ref:3298588)

good point. if jev can cling onto that toro rosso drive he could well be in a very strong position going into next season. the italians do design some pretty cool cars, though they almost always seem to lack some speed which doesn't always get explained. especially this season.

321Go · 4 Sep 2013, 09:19 (Ref:3298721)

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Originally Posted by bella

there's no announcement, but they have said a few times so far that his seat isn't in question.

Don't forget that that's exactly what they said to Alguersuari. He was told the first week of December 2011 that his seat was safe. Even attended a PR event for STR on the 11th of December, only to be told on the 13th of December 2011, he will not be driving for STR in 2012.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97359

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2012/0...on-toro-rosso/

**bella** · 4 Sep 2013, 09:24 (Ref:3298722)

yeah, i think this is different. it never made sense to keep both of the drivers at the time of alguersuari when there were 2 guys in ricciardo and vergne who were both absolutely ready, at the right point in their careers and just as capable.

they're obviously not in the same situation now.

321Go · 4 Sep 2013, 09:53 (Ref:3298730)

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Originally Posted by bella

i really want them to give the drive to frijns

Can't help but feel bad about Frijns not being in the Sauber this year. He would have performed much better than Gootoerase IMO. Sad that the bank balance wasn't up to speed as much as his ability behind the wheel.

Sainz Jr is apparently a better steering wheel attendant than Da Costa. And has a better bank balance too apparently. Having a famous Father and his name, might help his butt fit the seat better.

**bella** · 4 Sep 2013, 10:39 (Ref:3298748)

any preexisting cash situation is pretty academic with red bull.

and at this stage sainz' old man isn't really a factor. that will have undoubtably helped him get picked up by the scheme in the first place, but now? i don't think it's relevant outside of spain.

i agree about feeling sorry for frijns though. it would have been an uphill battle, but like you i think he'd have produced some random great drives throughout the year.

Amaroo Park · 4 Sep 2013, 11:18 (Ref:3298770)

How about Rubens he is at a loose end these days

**bjohnsonsmith** · 4 Sep 2013, 13:36 (Ref:3298848)

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Originally Posted by Amaroo Park

How about Rubens he is at a loose end these days

Not wanting to be mean but I think he's a tad over the hill. He tried IndyCar but that didn't really work out.

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