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Old 22 Feb 2014, 17:21 (Ref:3371050)   #166
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Here's a weird thought...

So... we know that the DPs in USCR are rumored to be phased out completely for 2017. IMSA is handling USCR but also the DTM America. DTM cars are basically high tech silhouette cars... could it be that IMSA be phasing the DPs out to make way for DTM American cars?

After all GM and Ford have their own "DP programs" right now. Could IMSA be funneling GM and Ford into turning their DP programs into DTM programs and that is the reasoning for pushing this DTM American plan back to 2017? 2017 is very convenient timing for American sports car racing (and yes I consider everything DTM does as sports car racing).

Cadillac is GM... so the Corvette program for DPs can be turned into a Cadillac DTM car. The one running in World Challenge I can easily see being a DTM car. It almost has the same shape already



On the ford side, they can just use a Lincoln MK-GT concept which I can also easily imagine as a DTM car



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Lincoln and Cadillac?


BTW DTM-A needs its own name... DTM-America just sounds dumb to me.

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That is a good point. Touring car racing hasn't been that popular stateside. That is unless you consider NASCAR a touring car series, and for all intensive purposes it fills the niche that DTM does in Germany.
In my opinion DTM is barely touring car racing. It's really GT racing as how well the rules unified with Super GT kinda proves that for me. If it comes to America I don't think it'll be seen as a "touring car" series but more as a prototype silhouette GT series which the states has been known to like (Trans-Am). If billed correctly I think a DTM can succeed in America. Especially if it's used as a stage for a "world fight" against cars from the other series in a global championship. IDK maybe the top 6 teams from DTM, DTM-A, and Super GT have like a world championship themselves.

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Old 22 Feb 2014, 17:34 (Ref:3371053)   #167
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Old 22 Feb 2014, 17:35 (Ref:3371054)   #168
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Camaro, Mustang, Challenger...
I somehow can't see muscle cars fitting well in a DTM ruleset BUT DTM is silhouette so who knows...

Personally I'd rather see the luxury GT cars than the muscle cars.
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I somehow can't see muscle cars fitting well in a DTM ruleset BUT DTM is silhouette so who knows...

Personally I'd rather see the luxury GT cars than the muscle cars.
They're not muscle cars.

That and the general public will not care one iota about "luxury GT" cars racing, they'll see it as some sort of upper class elite stuff.
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Old 22 Feb 2014, 17:43 (Ref:3371057)   #170
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They're not muscle cars.

That and the general public will not care one iota about "luxury GT" cars racing, they'll see it as some sort of upper class elite stuff.
Is that not inherent to GT racing to begin with

Besides, Americans do love their luxury cars. But you tend to see those types of people far more in the metropolitan east and west coast. You'd definitely lose the Heartland/Mid West and Southern populations but NASCAR seems satisfactory for those audiences already.

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Is that not inherent to GT racing to begin with

Besides, Americans do love their luxury cars. But you tend to see those types of people far more in the metropolitan east and west coast. You'd definitely lose the Heartland/Mid West and Southern populations but NASCAR seems satisfactory for those audiences already.
What everyone forgets as well, is that over in Germany, Audi/Mercedes/BMW is just like Ford/Chevrolet/Chrysler here, and Toyota/Nissan/Honda in Japan.

Mainstream domestic manufactures in hot-rodded versions of their big sellers(except for Japan because GTR/NSX), that'd equal the Camaro Z28, Mustang GT500 and Challenger SRT8. The only true "premium" brand in the two series is Lexus.
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Old 22 Feb 2014, 18:06 (Ref:3371062)   #172
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What everyone forgets as well, is that over in Germany, Audi/Mercedes/BMW is just like Ford/Chevrolet/Chrysler here, and Toyota/Nissan/Honda in Japan.

Mainstream domestic manufactures in hot-rodded versions of their big sellers(except for Japan because GTR/NSX), that'd equal the Camaro Z28, Mustang GT500 and Challenger SRT8. The only true "premium" brand in the two series is Lexus.
That's a good point. Guess we'll wait and see. I don't think Cadillac would be that much of a far cry from the American consumer however. I see quite a few Cadillacs on the streets here and there being in Utah. Lincoln is a lot more rare.

Honestly looking at the 2014 pony cars, I would now agree that it's a better idea to use those. My original objection to them was that they have a very square body which wouldn't fit too well with the rounded DTM silhouette design. But the body is very rounded for the 2014 Camaro and Mustang:




I can see these two as DTM cars as well. In fact, the Mustang has raced in 90s DTm before
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Old 22 Feb 2014, 18:13 (Ref:3371066)   #173
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Old 22 Feb 2014, 18:16 (Ref:3371067)   #174
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Nope, all three German brands are definitely up-market brands, at least over here. Actually, Audi is to VW exactly as Lexus is to Toyota.
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Nope, all three German brands are definitely up-market brands, at least over here. Actually, Audi is to VW exactly as Lexus is to Toyota.
Yet you can still get a base model of each one with cloth interior and very little amenities with a silly tiny motor.
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Why would any American build a Camaro / Mustang / Challenger body on a spec chassis?

Oh, wait...
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BTW DTM-A needs its own name... DTM-America just sounds dumb to me.
ATM (American Touring Masters)?
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Why would any American build a Camaro / Mustang / Challenger body on a spec chassis?

Oh, wait...
For the same reasons the Germans and Japanese did? To go racing under that ruleset?
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Why would any American build a Camaro / Mustang / Challenger body on a spec chassis?

Oh, wait...
Yeah Americans have been doing that for ages in multiple series

Honestly the idea of a global series with these three combined together intrigues me.

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