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Old 2 May 2006, 11:59 (Ref:1599319)   #1
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chunterer's post in another thread "will fissi..." got me thinking:

Who are the top drivers from number 1 down (regardless of cars) in your opinion? not who they have been, not who they could be, but WHO are the top 10 form drivers at this very present moment in F1?

(IMO top 3 goes without saying)

1. Alonso
2. Michael
3. Kimi
4a. Webber - i'm australian, i don't care, webber is driving the wheels off that williams...
4b. Button - could possibly be higher as his quali has been a sensation, but his racing (or is that his car?) lets him down...
4c. Ralf - he's been inconsistent in the past, but he's really driving well ATM
4d. JPM - i think he will be in top 3 form drivers by seasons end, but imola was his only excellent drive so far (until this weekend hopefully...)
8. Villeneuve - he's slightly outperforming (IMO) his much fancied teammate and showing his class and experience.
9. Massa - doing a fine job, apart from melbourne. consider this: of all those driving a new car this year, who has adapted as well as massa?
10. Fisi - imola wasnt good, but apart from that hes been pretty good, but overshadowed by FA

dishonourable achievers:

1. Ide
2. trulli
3. rubens

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Old 2 May 2006, 15:13 (Ref:1599415)   #2
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I think I'd rate Kimi first, but we can't really know. Alonso could be very good at charging, but he never had to. Schumi is not as good as he used to be imo. So:

1. Kimi, Alonso, Schumi
4. JPM, Button
6. Ralf, Trulli, Fisi
9. Coulthard, Massa
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Old 2 May 2006, 17:39 (Ref:1599497)   #3
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Trulli and Rubens are capable of a lot more than they are showing at the moment. They are certainly more talented than Albers or Montiero.

On current ability I'd probably put Fernando ahead of Michael, with Kimi a close third. JPM and Button about equal in 4th, with the rest of the top 10 very close - probably Fisichella, Ralf, Webber, Nico and Coulthard in some order.
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Old 2 May 2006, 17:50 (Ref:1599509)   #4
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I agree about Trulli. He's always been a very good driver in my opinion. Much closer to the top than what most people think, although not among the top three drivers by any means. When it comes to RB I don't know why but I never liked that guy. I mean, I can't remember any really impressive race by him. His first win (with Hakkinen 2nd) was the most ridiculous, overhyped and overrated win I can remember, after two or three safety cars and gambling with rain. Plus, a couple of accidents that he (imo) has caused. Nothing really special in my opinion - although, obviously, "nothing special" compared to the other F1 drivers, not compared to me

EDIT: I forgot to mention Nico, who seems to be about to become a very good driver. He'll need a couple of years of experience though.

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Old 2 May 2006, 17:51 (Ref:1599510)   #5
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1) Alonso
2) Raikkonen
3) M.Schumacher
4) Montoya
5) Nico
6) Button
7) Massa
8) R.Schumacher
9) Heidfeld
10) Webber

Lack Lustre

1) Ide (get rid IMO)
2) Barrichello (3rd to 11th!!? and overall bad start to season)
3) Monteiro
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Old 2 May 2006, 19:26 (Ref:1599588)   #6
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1.Alonso
2/3.MSchum/Kimi (Kimi has disappointed me a *little* bit so far)
4.Monty
5.Button
6.Nobody
Things become more blurred below. Maybe I forget someone.
7.Webber
8.Fisi
9.Nico?
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Old 2 May 2006, 19:55 (Ref:1599616)   #7
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Top three at the moment
FA, KR and MS

then,
JPM, JB, NR (in the near future)

after
MW, RB, Fisi, and Nick
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Old 2 May 2006, 20:07 (Ref:1599630)   #8
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Hmmmm....

At the moment I see it like this.

Tier 1: Fernando Alonso

Tier 2: M Schumacher
Tier 3: Kimi Raikkonen/Juan Pablo Montoya/Jenson Button

Tier 4: Mark Webber/Ralf Schumacher/Nico Rosberg/Nick Heidfeld/Jacques Villeneuve/Christian Klien
Tier 5:Takuma Sato/Vitantonio Liuzzi/Scott Speed/David Coulthard

Tier dissapointment and unnoticable: Giancarlo Fisichella/Jarno Trulli/Felipe Massa/Rubens Barrichello

Tier crap: Yuji Ide

Anyone from tier 1-5 I'd have in my team at this moment in time.
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Old 2 May 2006, 20:43 (Ref:1599660)   #9
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Hmmmm....

At the moment I see it like this.

Tier 1: Fernando Alonso

Tier 2: M Schumacher
Tier 3: Kimi Raikkonen/Juan Pablo Montoya/Jenson Button

Tier 4: Mark Webber/Ralf Schumacher/Nico Rosberg/Nick Heidfeld/Jacques Villeneuve/Christian Klien
Tier 5:Takuma Sato/Vitantonio Liuzzi/Scott Speed/David Coulthard

Tier dissapointment and unnoticable: Giancarlo Fisichella/Jarno Trulli/Felipe Massa/Rubens Barrichello

Tier crap: Yuji Ide

Anyone from tier 1-5 I'd have in my team at this moment in time.

Quite agree with you, but I would rate MS higher, although I do not side with him. Without him, Ferrari would not have won those championships in a row. I am very eager to see more performances of Speed and Liuzzi, although Speed disapointed me a bit in A1GP
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Old 2 May 2006, 21:07 (Ref:1599684)   #10
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Hi Knowlesy,

We almost agree this time (this is probably the best we will ever do).

Predictably, you are too forgiving toward JPM. JPM's spinning out on the formation lap (and during the race) disqualifies him from your tier no3. On the other hand, Massa doesn't deserve to be put in the dissapointment and unnoticeable category. He made mistakes but he is just starting with ferrari and he has already been doing better than Rubens in terms of lap time differential with MS.

We would have a deal if you were putting both JPM and Massa in tier number 4 with the others. You are also a bit too harsh with Fisico.
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Err....predictably forgiving with Button? He ain't one of my favourites Louis, so put away that nationalistic tag now!

And does Michael Schumacher's collision on installation lap and spin out under safety car (on the same day in Shanghai 05!) rule him out of tier 2 then? No it doesn't, so JPM remains in my Tier 3.

Of course, you're not obliged to agree with this!
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In fairness Louis, I see you've edited your post.....
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Err....predictably forgiving with Button? He ain't one of my favourites Louis, so put away that nationalistic tag now! !
I removed the reference to Button even before you mentionned it. As I was drafting my post, I remembered his excellent performance in Australia. Other than that, I acknowledge that he is been good in qualyfying but I haven't been impressed by his race performance other than at Melbourne.

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And does Michael Schumacher's collision on installation lap and spin out under safety car (on the same day in Shanghai 05!) rule him out of tier 2 then? No it doesn't, so JPM remains in my Tier 3.
I thought we were rating the drivers on the basis of their performance so far in 2006. Despite one DNF and a lacklustre race in Imola, Kimi is nevertheless ahead of JPM in the world championship race. If that might help striking a "deal", you could put both Kimi and JPM in tier no.4 insofar as I am concerned.
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or, even better, you could elevate MW, NH, JV and RS to level no. 3 with JPM and Kimi.
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