I can't like Alonso. Tell me why!!!

Smurfer · 15 Feb 2006, 10:39 (Ref:1523248)

For some reason I can't like Alonso as a champion. Not sure why. Does anyone else have this problem. The only reasons I can narrow it down to are:

1) His stupid antics with Flavio when he wins;
2) I have a decent level of respect for MS;
3) He didn't seem to try all season.

None of these seem to be enough to dislike him though I do.

**Bononi** · 15 Feb 2006, 10:55 (Ref:1523262)

Hun... let's see, trying to answer your list:

1) That's a personal point of view, there are people who lovew to watch that show.
2) To have respect for someone doesn't mean you have to dislike the other.
3) I don't get what do you mean for "try", but he did a great job.

And I'm not his fan or Renault's... just pointing out.

Final note: How can you dislike some one, you don't know personally. Assuming you don'ty know him personally, do you ?

**garcon** · 15 Feb 2006, 11:04 (Ref:1523272)

I can't think of a single reason not to like him, really. He comes across well in interviews, seems modest enough to truly appreciate his achievements. I also have huge respect for Michael Schumacher, but if anything that increases my respect for Alonso for being good enough to challenge him. As for whether he seemed to be trying - the sign of a truly great driver is being able to win races without appearing to be putting too much effort in. It is just an appearance though - the grace of a swan above water coupled with the effort you only see if you look beneath.

**Adam43** · 15 Feb 2006, 11:35 (Ref:1523305)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smurfer

1) His stupid antics with Flavio when he wins;
2) I have a decent level of respect for MS;
3) He didn't seem to try all season.

1) er, aren't these a toned down version of the antics MS had with Flav.
2) Irrelevant
3) He tried really hard and became world champion.
(what Bon said)

ASCII Man · 15 Feb 2006, 12:57 (Ref:1523375)

Uhm, what exactly is the point of this thread?

**garcon** · 15 Feb 2006, 13:03 (Ref:1523381)

If we only kept the ones with a point, there wouldn't be many left...

rcarr · 15 Feb 2006, 13:31 (Ref:1523395)

I am with Smurfer! I just don't like him either!

He hasn't gained the respect that others have!

He has had the Renault drive given to him on a plate!

Much like Kimi- Formula Renault to Sauber to Mclaren!

I feel they havent earned their race pedigree, too much too early in their lives!

Look at Schumacher, F3 he was good, some performances showed potential, then Mercedes Juniour team then Jordan! I feel he worked for his seat in F1!

This is just my opinion!

ASCII Man · 15 Feb 2006, 14:04 (Ref:1523418)

Well, just to be in line with the rest.

I no like Michael Schumacher, he bad, he not have my respect, he should go!

I like Jacques, he rule, also he has nice helmet, yay!

Nado · 15 Feb 2006, 14:04 (Ref:1523419)

I was indifferent to Alonso until Japan. To me he didn't seem all that impressive, he played the numbers game and won the WDC, and that's all fair and square - he definitely earnt it, kudos to that - I would have done the same. But he earnt my respect in Japan, just show what he could do if there was "nothing" on the line. I'm still not a fan, but he has my respect. And it's not because of the Schumacher overtake - rather Webber overtake (and I'm a Webber fan).

sonic · 15 Feb 2006, 14:43 (Ref:1523436)

good grief.

pole2pole · 15 Feb 2006, 14:51 (Ref:1523440)

I think Alonso is a very smart character and also a very cool customer. The style in which he won last years championship really displayed how cool and calculating he is, in fact almost computer like. Maybe his risk free approach is the problem. Its not his fault its just his way of adopting to the rules. Looking back at that breath taking move he made on Michael in Japan was in away out of character for him but at that stage the title was in the bag and the pressure was off. I would love to see more driving like that from him but maybe that's the wrong way to go about winning a championship. I remember Pat Symond's saying that he worked with both Michael and Senna and he said would put Alonso on the same level as these two guys. I think Alonso looks at the championship from points point of view and not race wins. A great world champion but not a show man. He leaves that for the guys who want finish runners up.

dsg · 15 Feb 2006, 15:45 (Ref:1523459)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Smurfer

I can't like Alonso. Tell me why!!!

Your subconscious is projecting an image which you are failing to recognise as an unfounded personal bias simply because your desires are not coming to fruition.

Get over it.

shiny side up! · 15 Feb 2006, 15:54 (Ref:1523465)

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcarr

...He has had the Renault drive given to him on a plate!
Much like Kimi- Formula Renault to Sauber to Mclaren!
I feel they havent earned their race pedigree, too much too early in their lives!
Look at Schumacher, F3 he was good, some performances showed potential, then Mercedes Juniour team then Jordan! I feel he worked for his seat in F1!
This is just my opinion!

One hardly based on fact, apparently. The guy did a year at Minardi as a race driver, then stepped back to a test role at not-so-impressive (then) Renault in 2002, displayed good promise (with some mistakes) in 03 and 04 as a race driver at Renault, and finally 05 WDC. The guy has worked for his success, didn't just show up at the best team on the grid as a rookie...

Gt_R · 15 Feb 2006, 16:02 (Ref:1523471)

between Kimi and Alonso, i have a slight inclination in favour of Kimi, so that may affect my ratings of Alonso.

But in any cases, i think drivers should be encouraged to celebrate the way they like. It would be bad if there are restrictions to their behavoir in that sense. In fact, i've missed seeing donuts and stuff.

I mean, there was a time when Alonso always show the number of victories with his fingers from the cockpit.. some thought that was arrogant (i for awhile thought so too), but really..it's jus natural happiness. and he did win a race..so guess jus let him have his moment.

steve_r · 15 Feb 2006, 16:11 (Ref:1523480)

If I have a dislike for someone else, but can't give good reason why, the problem is most likely my own and not theirs.

Big-O · 15 Feb 2006, 16:12 (Ref:1523481)

Well ... I don't like him, but I have a hole lot of respect for him ... Not sure I like him at McLaren 2007 but thats just something I have to get overwith ...

He took the title be doing his math and not more than he had to. Sadly, Kimi didn´t have that luxury last season...

ss_collins · 15 Feb 2006, 16:12 (Ref:1523482)

Its because he looks like Zorro isn't it?

steve_r · 15 Feb 2006, 16:14 (Ref:1523486)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big-O

He took the title be doing his math and not more than he had to. Sadly, Kimi didn´t have that luxury last season...

No. He took the title by performing constantly well, driving consistanly fast, and destroyed his team-mate in the process.

Big-O · 15 Feb 2006, 16:19 (Ref:1523494)

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve_r

No. He took the title by performing constantly well, driving consistanly fast, and destroyed his team-mate in the process.

Still he didn't do more than he had to, and had a help from his team-mate when he needed

steve_r · 15 Feb 2006, 16:25 (Ref:1523499)

Well, he would have been unwise to go wheel-to-wheel with the team-mate of his biggest rival, when he was protecting a championship lead...

rcarr · 15 Feb 2006, 16:29 (Ref:1523501)

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiny side up!

One hardly based on fact, apparently. The guy did a year at Minardi as a race driver, then stepped back to a test role at not-so-impressive (then) Renault in 2002, displayed good promise (with some mistakes) in 03 and 04 as a race driver at Renault, and finally 05 WDC. The guy has worked for his success, didn't just show up at the best team on the grid as a rookie...

I didnt say that he hadnt been to Minardi and developed with Renault but I think the championships are easier to win now because they dont have the talent that we used to see maybe 15 years ago!

Mansell, Prost, Senna, etc compared to Schumacher, he is the master but where are the other major talents?
Alonso was in the car at the right time! Kimi I feel should have won the championship, but maybe merc/inexperienced hot headedness lost him it!
Montoya? Hasnt shown true grit in F1 yet, Button? so much promise but zero delivery Schmacher, R should be better than his brother but isnt! etc etc

b1ackcr0w · 15 Feb 2006, 16:49 (Ref:1523514)

Preference for drivers is a very difficult area. Half the problem is it's so subjective.

I must admit that I have been pretty to and fro about TBC, Alonso & Raikkonen.

TBC - Yes he cynically punted off Hill and others, but then again you can't say that all that success was down to being willing to run people off the road.

Alonso - Some of his drives, particularly at San Marino last year have been nothing short of genius. But then again, the accident he caused in Brazil a few years ago was unforgivably reckless and could have killed somebody.

Raikkonen - Once again, how do you differentiate between genius and idocy? Most of the time he drives are sublime, but then was that plunge into the smoke at Spa genius of criminal insanity?

In the end, i have to say that I'm open to being convinced who (or if indeed all) of the above three is the genius and who are muppets.

Suze · 15 Feb 2006, 16:56 (Ref:1523520)

Re Spa - Kimi had a logic on that one to do with smell or something, don't remember.

Alonso - nowt wrong with chap

Pitstop · 15 Feb 2006, 17:04 (Ref:1523529)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ASCII Man

Well, just to be in line with the rest.

I no like Michael Schumacher, he bad, he not have my respect, he should go!

I like Jacques, he rule, also he has nice helmet, yay!

I no like JV helmet so he not have my repect, he should be banned from F1

Dutton · 15 Feb 2006, 17:09 (Ref:1523534)

Well, I liked the look of Alonso from his Minardi days. I was certain he "had it".

So, I have watched his rise with much enjoyment.

I would, however, like that rise to see him drop down to 2nd this year (well, 3rd ideally, but 2nd is OK),

.

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