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Old 4 Nov 2004, 14:18 (Ref:1144767)   #1
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PSA - group : any chance they will be back in sportscars?
The PSA-group (Peugeot & Citroën) decided to stop WRC after 2005. They will announce in due time the other serie they will enter. Do you think "the lion" will be back @Le Mans?
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Old 4 Nov 2004, 14:31 (Ref:1144770)   #2
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Rumors say Peugeot is likely to chose WTCC.
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Old 4 Nov 2004, 14:55 (Ref:1144783)   #3
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is it fully PSA or peugeot only ?

As Citroen is developing a new WRC it is a bit surprising
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is it fully PSA or peugeot only ?

As Citroen is developing a new WRC it is a bit surprising
The strange thing is that also Citroen is pulling out, and not only Peugeot.
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Old 4 Nov 2004, 15:04 (Ref:1144786)   #5
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perhaps they also wants to put more pressure on the FIA !
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pulling out of WRC . they will have some extra money .. even if Pug goes to WTCC . what will Citroen do ?
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PSA won't come back in endurance for a while because the V6 SODEMO didn't work as predicted and there is no french motor big enough to suit the rules with restrictors.

They said WRC is a best commercial vector. This is the official reason.
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Any WTCC program would be very low budget compared to the WRC and Le Mans.

F1 is out of the question also.

I did have an e-mail a few weeks back saying there would be a French manufactuer returning to sportscar racing.

It may be bull but but who knows!

Regarding the engine, why does it have to be production based. The PSA group have a few F1 V10's lying around!
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PSA won't come back in endurance for a while because the V6 SODEMO didn't work as predicted and there is no french motor big enough to suit the rules with restrictors.
I'm just fantasizing out loud, but the Peugeot 907 prototype (presentated at the motorshow in Paris) is fitted with a 6.0 V12 producing 500 hp
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I'm just fantasizing out loud, but the Peugeot 907 prototype (presentated at the motorshow in Paris) is fitted with a 6.0 V12 producing 500 hp
Designers can imagine anything they want and materialize their fantasy. But this 907 will never be produced, it's political.
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Designers can imagine anything they want and materialize their fantasy. But this 907 will never be produced, it's political.
But why would they develop this V12 and not use it?

Why not put it in a Courage? And what was the type name of the Peugeot LM prototype? 905, so 907 makes sense
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But why would they develop this V12 and not use it?

Why not put it in a Courage? And what was the type name of the Peugeot LM prototype? 905, so 907 makes sense
The car was designed by Gérard Welter ; he was clear on the fact that the 907 was just a "design exercise" ; the car did roll, but at a very low speed.

PSA confirmed on french medias that they weren't interrested by endurance ; the goal is to sale cars , and TCC is a better vector for them.

So don't expect anything coming from France years to come, Renault include.
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Would not say the same from Nissan that is now partly French...
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Old 6 Nov 2004, 13:14 (Ref:1146082)   #14
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I wouldn't mind seeing Citroen back in rally raids, They got some great history in that field dating back to the 1920's. Plus some more competition for Mitsubischi wouldn't hurt.
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With a Citroen buggy?
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yes, we could say that the 907 is a GT "Prototype"... but then again, wasn't the Chrysler Viper R/T-10 of similar stuff in '89, or the Corvette C5 in '96, the Ferrari 550 Maranello in '98, the Saleen S7 in '97...

That very same caveat was made by Peugeot officials at the Paris show, that if sufficient interest was there to warrant it, limited production would go ahead.

Also consider the present rules for the new GT1, as it would be quite the thing for this car, if it does see production. And as with Corvette Racing, which is done by Pratt & Miller, Aston Martin, which is ProDrive's 'baby', and others, these are done by Racing Engineering concerns rather than the Factory, which is quite the savings and the PR boost for the Manufacturers.

Looking at the car itself, it's not too far from taking it from a show piece to production to Racer in an equivalent amount of time.
http://www.autointell.net/Events/par...paris-2004.htm

A few conventional changes for production and, voila!
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With a Citroen buggy?
Yeah like this one
http://home.zonnet.nl/citroens/dakar96.htm
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Oh sorry, no it was not. 4WD, remember now
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Oh sorry, no it was not. 4WD, remember now
It was a very expensive high tech 4x4 buggy.
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