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Old 8 Nov 2019, 18:22 (Ref:3939281)   #16
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Am I missing something? +0.061 is nothing.
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Old 8 Nov 2019, 19:12 (Ref:3939291)   #17
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1.5 seconds to lmp2 is also nothing and WAY too close. The Toyota's are struggling to pass GT cars. They went too far with their 'success handicap'. Instead of pushing the Toyota's further down with fuel flow, they should have just limited the hybrid amount per lap. The fuel flow is what affects their top speed because of the need to lift and coast.
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Old 8 Nov 2019, 19:37 (Ref:3939296)   #18
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Truckosaurus should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridTruckosaurus should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridTruckosaurus should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridTruckosaurus should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
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Old 9 Nov 2019, 03:01 (Ref:3939350)   #19
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tux should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridtux should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridtux should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
Yet they were still fastest in P3, i think someones playing games.....
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Old 9 Nov 2019, 06:39 (Ref:3939369)   #20
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helgi should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridhelgi should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridhelgi should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridhelgi should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
A wise ACO and FIA politics of BoP leads to second class superiority. LMP1 Oreca is going to be slowly than LMP2, having 65 more HP and aero tweaks possibility. They call this "progress".
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Old 9 Nov 2019, 08:43 (Ref:3939384)   #21
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Rebellion pole by over a second on average. Not what I expected but very good to see.
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Old 9 Nov 2019, 09:55 (Ref:3939392)   #22
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Looks like Toyota didn't expect that too.
https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...-lack-of-pace/
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Old 9 Nov 2019, 10:43 (Ref:3939398)   #23
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Have set to record, so i can watch at leisure.
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I suspect Shanghai 2019 will mirror the 2020-2024 seasons in rather detail... this is the sort of thing they wanted, this is the sort of thing they will get

We have Le Mans 2020 as the sole exception, as the success bop won't be used there and hybrid tech actually matters and the nature of the track will make the spec P2s 10 seconds or whatever off the overall pace again, but that's abut it
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What time does the race start UP tiem?
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Old 9 Nov 2019, 17:56 (Ref:3939479)   #27
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It'll be even worse at Bahrain (and that's double the length of this race) given that even if Toyotas finish 3rd or 4th or whatever, they'll still be receiving further bop penalties on top of this, right?
"currently the two Toyotas’ are pegged back as far as they can be by the success handicap regulations. The maximum handicap has been achieved by a combination of a 40% reduction in hybrid power, 7.5% drop in fuel energy and a 28kg minimum weight increase to the car."

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Old 9 Nov 2019, 21:38 (Ref:3939523)   #28
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"currently the two Toyotas’ are pegged back as far as they can be by the success handicap regulations. The maximum handicap has been achieved by a combination of a 40% reduction in hybrid power, 7.5% drop in fuel energy and a 28kg minimum weight increase to the car."

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Yes...

The most interesting line in that was this
"The LMP2 cars are so close this year it’s crazy, but I guess it’s down to the tire manufacturers, who have done a great job to step up the performance this season."

I'm sure Vincent can't wait for the spec P2s to get those spec tires now
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I don't know what has happened to the Rebellion in terms of pace. I was surprised that they were not faster at Fuji too but attributed that to the wrong tire compound. Now it's playing out again with this race. It might be interesting to see if lmp2 comes into play for a win or affecting those lmp1's.
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If it rained, LMP2 might contend because their cars would be heavier and have more road holding in the wet, but Toyota might then run away because of their weight/road holding and AWD.

But even in the dry if a LMP1 messes up LMP2s will be all over them. Only pro-am drivers being forced in as part of LMP2 driver line ups (at least one silver or bronze driver in a LMP2 driver line up, remember) will keep LMP2s off the overall podium.

That being said, with the LMP2s being so close, I'd argue that might be how the LMP1 Hypercar rules play out with LMP1 being slowed down and having a similar success BOP formula applied.

However, short of giving LMP1s 800+bhp, what else could the ACO do to try and get some performance parity between Toyota and the LMP1 privateers?

And again, just like with DP vs LMP2 and DPI vs LMP2, that shows the dangers of BOP just to laptimes instead of also factoring in how those times are achieved.
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