The Porsche vs Ferrari (or Badger vs brielga) thread - Page 102

NightStalk3r · 4 Jul 2009, 20:00 (Ref:2495858)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dario911

A positive thing: we have won in Donington GT Open race: 1st and 2nd place! Greatful!

Yep IMSA Performance Porsche of Narac and Pillet started from the back of the grid and crossed the finish line 1st with a gap of 30 seconds to 2nd place.

The Badger · 5 Jul 2009, 01:35 (Ref:2495939)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dario911

Wiedeking's been a real stupid trying to buy VW!

He was acting on orders from above .....

Dario911 · 5 Jul 2009, 08:18 (Ref:2495989)

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Badger

He was acting on orders from above .....

Of course... but I suggest it's time to make some changes in Porsche management. Their time's over!

Dario911 · 5 Jul 2009, 13:38 (Ref:2496106)

Second race, second win for Porsche in Donington! What a great week-end for Porsche! Congratulations to IMSA and Autorlando for their magnificent races!

Marcel ten Caat · 5 Jul 2009, 13:44 (Ref:2496108)

Too bad only 17 cars started in race 1 and just 16 in race 2.

Nice 1-3 again though for the Porsches.

NightStalk3r · 5 Jul 2009, 14:44 (Ref:2496128)

2 Porsche's on the Podium for the last 4 races, and a Porsche on the top step of the podium for the last 4 races

AX lover · 5 Jul 2009, 16:54 (Ref:2496158)

@HORNDAWG, have you seen on which article/source egmCarTech based their article?

Quote:

According to sources that spoke with AutoCar
Source: AutoCar

Also a reason for the delay is the fact that sales are pretty slow at the moment (economy and so on). The result of this is that there are a lot of unsold F430's around. When Ferrari's says they are delaying the introduction of the new model and that the Spider version will be introduced even later the stock of F430's can be sold.

My guess is Ferrari will introduce the new F450 at Geneve in March.

But it might be that Michelotto is already developing the F450 GT2 behind the scenes for a 2010 introduction. Who will know...

**FIRE** · 8 Jul 2009, 20:06 (Ref:2497936)

The Porsche vs Ferrari (or Badger vs brielga) Championship - Season 2

2009 Schedule

Round	Date	Series	Event	1st	2nd	3rd
1	21st March	ALMS	Sebring, USA	Ferrari	Ferrari	Panoz
2	4th April	ALMS	St Petersburg, USA	Porsche	BMW	Panoz
3	5th April	LMS	Catalunya, Spain	Porsche	Ferrari	Ferrari
4	18th April	ALMS	Long Beach, USA	Porsche	Ferrari	BMW
5	18th April	GT Open	Imola, Italy	Ferrari	Porsche	Porsche
6	19th April	GT Open	Imola, Italy	Ferrari	Ferrari	Porsche
7	3rd May	FIA GT	Silverstone, Great Britain	Porsche	Ferrari	Ferrari
8	10th May	LMS	Spa, Belgium	Porsche	Ferrari	Ferrari
9	16th May	FIA GT	Adria, Italy	Porsche	Ferrari	Ferrari
10	16th May	GT Open	Portimão, Portugal	Porsche	Ferrari	Ferrari
11	17th May	GT Open	Portimão, Portugal	Ferrari	Porsche	Ferrari
12	17th May	ALMS	Miller Motorsports Park, USA	Porsche	Porsche	Ferrari
13	13th/14th June	Le Mans	Le Mans, France	Ferrari	Ferrari	Ferrari
14	21st June	FIA GT	Oschersleben, Germany	Ferrari	Porsche	Aston Martin
15	27th June	GT Open	Spa, Belgium	Porsche	Porsche	Ferrari
16	28th June	GT Open	Spa, Belgium	Porsche	Ferrari	Porsche
17	4th July	GT Open	Donington, Great Britain	Porsche	Porsche	Ferrari
18	5th July	GT Open	Donington, Great Britain	Porsche	Ferrari	Porsche
19	18th July	ALMS	Lime Rock Park, USA
20	26th July	FIA GT	Spa, Belgium
21	2nd August	LMS	Portimão, Portugal
22	8th August	ALMS	Mid-Ohio, USA
23	9th August	FIA GT	Bucharest, Romania
24	16th August	ALMS	Road America, USA
25	23th August	LMS	Nürburgring, Germany
26	29th August	GT Open	Valencia, Spain
27	30th August	GT Open	Valencia, Spain
28	30th August	ALMS	Mosport, USA
29	5th September	ALMS	Detroit, USA
30	13th September	LMS	Silverstone, Great Britain
31	19th September	GT Open	Magny-cours, France
32	20th September	GT Open	Magny-cours, France
33	20th September	FIA GT	Portimão, Portugal
34	26th September	ALMS	Road Atlanta, USA
35	3rd October	GT Open	Monza, Italy
36	4th October	GT Open	Monza, Italy
37	4th October	FIA GT	Paul Ricard, France
38	10th October	ALMS	Laguna Seca, USA
39	25th October	FIA GT	Zolder, Belgium
40	24th October	GT Open	Catalunya, Spain
41	25th October	GT Open	Catalunya, Spain
42	21st November	GT Open	Losail, Qatar
43	22nd November	GT Open	Losail, Qatar

Points system
1st = 4 points
2nd = 2 points
3rd = 1 point

Sebring 12 Hours, Le Mans 24 Hours and Spa 24 Hours double points.

Standings after round 18

#	Manufacturer	Points
1	Ferrari	69
2	Porsche	64
3	Panoz	3
-	BMW	3
5	Aston Martin	1

Porsche vs Ferrari battle after round 18

Porsche	Ferrari
12	6

The Badger · 19 Jul 2009, 20:30 (Ref:2504371)

Nothing out of the ordinary to report ..... just another Lizards win is all !!!

NightStalk3r · 19 Jul 2009, 20:36 (Ref:2504378)

Yep, there looking quite unstoppable at the moment, 4 wins in a row.

WMUCarGuy · 20 Jul 2009, 01:24 (Ref:2504542)

Quote:

Originally Posted by NightStalk3r

Yep, there looking quite unstoppable at the moment, 4 wins in a row.

And up next is the track they've had more success at than any other, Mid Ohio!

**FIRE** · 20 Jul 2009, 09:43 (Ref:2504698)

The Porsche vs Ferrari (or Badger vs brielga) Championship - Season 2

2009 Schedule

Round	Date	Series	Event	1st	2nd	3rd
1	21st March	ALMS	Sebring, USA	Ferrari	Ferrari	Panoz
2	4th April	ALMS	St Petersburg, USA	Porsche	BMW	Panoz
3	5th April	LMS	Catalunya, Spain	Porsche	Ferrari	Ferrari
4	18th April	ALMS	Long Beach, USA	Porsche	Ferrari	BMW
5	18th April	GT Open	Imola, Italy	Ferrari	Porsche	Porsche
6	19th April	GT Open	Imola, Italy	Ferrari	Ferrari	Porsche
7	3rd May	FIA GT	Silverstone, Great Britain	Porsche	Ferrari	Ferrari
8	10th May	LMS	Spa, Belgium	Porsche	Ferrari	Ferrari
9	16th May	FIA GT	Adria, Italy	Porsche	Ferrari	Ferrari
10	16th May	GT Open	Portimão, Portugal	Porsche	Ferrari	Ferrari
11	17th May	GT Open	Portimão, Portugal	Ferrari	Porsche	Ferrari
12	17th May	ALMS	Miller Motorsports Park, USA	Porsche	Porsche	Ferrari
13	13th/14th June	Le Mans	Le Mans, France	Ferrari	Ferrari	Ferrari
14	21st June	FIA GT	Oschersleben, Germany	Ferrari	Porsche	Aston Martin
15	27th June	GT Open	Spa, Belgium	Porsche	Porsche	Ferrari
16	28th June	GT Open	Spa, Belgium	Porsche	Ferrari	Porsche
17	4th July	GT Open	Donington, Great Britain	Porsche	Porsche	Ferrari
18	5th July	GT Open	Donington, Great Britain	Porsche	Ferrari	Porsche
19	18th July	ALMS	Lime Rock Park, USA	Porsche	Ferrari	BMW
20	26th July	FIA GT	Spa, Belgium
21	2nd August	LMS	Portimão, Portugal
22	8th August	ALMS	Mid-Ohio, USA
23	9th August	FIA GT	Bucharest, Romania
24	16th August	ALMS	Road America, USA
25	23th August	LMS	Nürburgring, Germany
26	29th August	GT Open	Valencia, Spain
27	30th August	GT Open	Valencia, Spain
28	30th August	ALMS	Mosport, USA
29	5th September	ALMS	Detroit, USA
30	13th September	LMS	Silverstone, Great Britain
31	19th September	GT Open	Magny-cours, France
32	20th September	GT Open	Magny-cours, France
33	20th September	FIA GT	Portimão, Portugal
34	26th September	ALMS	Road Atlanta, USA
35	3rd October	GT Open	Monza, Italy
36	4th October	GT Open	Monza, Italy
37	4th October	FIA GT	Paul Ricard, France
38	10th October	ALMS	Laguna Seca, USA
39	25th October	FIA GT	Zolder, Belgium
40	24th October	GT Open	Catalunya, Spain
41	25th October	GT Open	Catalunya, Spain
42	21st November	GT Open	Losail, Qatar
43	22nd November	GT Open	Losail, Qatar

Points system
1st = 4 points
2nd = 2 points
3rd = 1 point

Sebring 12 Hours, Le Mans 24 Hours and Spa 24 Hours double points.

Standings after round 19

#	Manufacturer	Points
1	Ferrari	71
2	Porsche	68
3	BMW	4
4	Panoz	3
5	Aston Martin	1

Porsche vs Ferrari battle after round 19

Porsche	Ferrari
13	6

Ferrari has given up the championship?

**FIRE** · 26 Jul 2009, 17:40 (Ref:2508494)

The Porsche vs Ferrari (or Badger vs brielga) Championship - Season 2

2009 Schedule

Round	Date	Series	Event	1st	2nd	3rd
1	21st March	ALMS	Sebring, USA	Ferrari	Ferrari	Panoz
2	4th April	ALMS	St Petersburg, USA	Porsche	BMW	Panoz
3	5th April	LMS	Catalunya, Spain	Porsche	Ferrari	Ferrari
4	18th April	ALMS	Long Beach, USA	Porsche	Ferrari	BMW
5	18th April	GT Open	Imola, Italy	Ferrari	Porsche	Porsche
6	19th April	GT Open	Imola, Italy	Ferrari	Ferrari	Porsche
7	3rd May	FIA GT	Silverstone, Great Britain	Porsche	Ferrari	Ferrari
8	10th May	LMS	Spa, Belgium	Porsche	Ferrari	Ferrari
9	16th May	FIA GT	Adria, Italy	Porsche	Ferrari	Ferrari
10	16th May	GT Open	Portimão, Portugal	Porsche	Ferrari	Ferrari
11	17th May	GT Open	Portimão, Portugal	Ferrari	Porsche	Ferrari
12	17th May	ALMS	Miller Motorsports Park, USA	Porsche	Porsche	Ferrari
13	13th/14th June	Le Mans	Le Mans, France	Ferrari	Ferrari	Ferrari
14	21st June	FIA GT	Oschersleben, Germany	Ferrari	Porsche	Aston Martin
15	27th June	GT Open	Spa, Belgium	Porsche	Porsche	Ferrari
16	28th June	GT Open	Spa, Belgium	Porsche	Ferrari	Porsche
17	4th July	GT Open	Donington, Great Britain	Porsche	Porsche	Ferrari
18	5th July	GT Open	Donington, Great Britain	Porsche	Ferrari	Porsche
19	18th July	ALMS	Lime Rock Park, USA	Porsche	Ferrari	BMW
20	26th July	FIA GT	Spa, Belgium	Ferrari	Porsche	Ferrari
21	2nd August	LMS	Portimão, Portugal
22	8th August	ALMS	Mid-Ohio, USA
23	9th August	FIA GT	Bucharest, Romania
24	16th August	ALMS	Road America, USA
25	23th August	LMS	Nürburgring, Germany
26	29th August	GT Open	Valencia, Spain
27	30th August	GT Open	Valencia, Spain
28	30th August	ALMS	Mosport, USA
29	5th September	ALMS	Detroit, USA
30	13th September	LMS	Silverstone, Great Britain
31	19th September	GT Open	Magny-cours, France
32	20th September	GT Open	Magny-cours, France
33	20th September	FIA GT	Portimão, Portugal
34	26th September	ALMS	Road Atlanta, USA
35	3rd October	GT Open	Monza, Italy
36	4th October	GT Open	Monza, Italy
37	4th October	FIA GT	Paul Ricard, France
38	10th October	ALMS	Laguna Seca, USA
39	25th October	FIA GT	Zolder, Belgium
40	24th October	GT Open	Catalunya, Spain
41	25th October	GT Open	Catalunya, Spain
42	21st November	GT Open	Losail, Qatar
43	22nd November	GT Open	Losail, Qatar

Points system
1st = 4 points
2nd = 2 points
3rd = 1 point

Sebring 12 Hours, Le Mans 24 Hours and Spa 24 Hours double points.

Standings after round 20

#	Manufacturer	Points
1	Ferrari	81
2	Porsche	72
3	BMW	4
4	Panoz	3
5	Aston Martin	1

Porsche vs Ferrari battle after round 20

Porsche	Ferrari
13	7

So the Italian donkeys win all 3 endurance events.

dxk1 · 26 Jul 2009, 22:43 (Ref:2508734)

Well it's 3 for 3 for the Ferrari F430 over the Porsche 997 in the significant enduros this year. So the improvements in the 997s speed have seemed to cost some reliability and also have led some of the Porsche pilots to make major blunders. So while the 997 is certainly better this year, the F430 is holding up pretty well for a car on its last legs.

DK

MJ_N_09 · 26 Jul 2009, 23:09 (Ref:2508764)

The Porsche just doesn't seem to be the endurance car that the Ferrari is.

rich07 · 27 Jul 2009, 01:55 (Ref:2508809)

Time to update my sig again......................

Congratulations to AF Corse! A wonderful victory. With the win Bruni and Vilander take the lead in the drivers championship.

The Badger · 27 Jul 2009, 05:27 (Ref:2508833)

Yeah , but beaten by an Audi !!!

rich07 · 27 Jul 2009, 06:13 (Ref:2508846)

A repost but I knew this belonged in this thread, just for badger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo3SKCVuEjM

When I saw that on Saturday that made my day.

GrayWolf · 27 Jul 2009, 11:15 (Ref:2509032)

Porsche lost 3 major battles but in the end it will win the war.
Besides there is still Petit Le Mans

The Badger · 27 Jul 2009, 12:23 (Ref:2509130)

Quote:

Originally Posted by rich07

A repost but I knew this belonged in this thread, just for badger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lo3SKCVuEjM

When I saw that on Saturday that made my day.

What next , oh ignorance is bliss !!!

That is a type of emergency door , a quick release in case of an accident . If the door wont open cuz its crushed , it will when the hinge pin comes out .

There is a lever inside the cockpit , when activated it draws the hinge pin outta the hinge and the hinge will then seperate and the door falls off . The lever is normally secured with copper wire so it cant be activated by accident . Obviously the safety wire wasnt presant !!!

I thought you woulda known about that , its called the Bell mod .

Tut

Stefvh · 27 Jul 2009, 13:26 (Ref:2509208)

You don't find it funny ?

ztnedman1 · 27 Jul 2009, 15:01 (Ref:2509277)

Sigh... Well congrats to Ferrari.

The biggest thing that has been upsetting me is Porsches driver lineups. They could get 1 or 2 cars absolutly STACKED between Berg,Long,Henzler,Collard, but instead they split these guys up and have a bunch of mediocre cars. I think this is why we have been losing the big races but dominating the small ones. All of the small races have cars with stacked drivers, but come the big races they split them up with guys 8+seconds off the pace. Then in lemans they give us one car, and it runs out of fuel. Bergs car had the pace with him but that one driver was like 10seconds slower! WTF Porsche. Its like they are trying to hand the wins to Ferrari.

NightStalk3r · 27 Jul 2009, 17:43 (Ref:2509361)

Quote:

Originally Posted by ztnedman1

Sigh... Well congrats to Ferrari.

The biggest thing that has been upsetting me is Porsches driver lineups. They could get 1 or 2 cars absolutly STACKED between Berg,Long,Henzler,Collard, but instead they split these guys up and have a bunch of mediocre cars. I think this is why we have been losing the big races but dominating the small ones. All of the small races have cars with stacked drivers, but come the big races they split them up with guys 8+seconds off the pace. Then in lemans they give us one car, and it runs out of fuel. Bergs car had the pace with him but that one driver was like 10seconds slower! WTF Porsche. Its like they are trying to hand the wins to Ferrari.

The 60 Porsche at Spa was far from Mediocre, Westbrook and Collard were fast as expected, Edwards set the cars best lap time and was always blindingly fast, and O' Young was maybe a second or so off the pace of the other 3, but still for the last 12 hours of the race it was consistantly the fastest car on track, if it wasnt for getting punted off by the #1 Massarati that broke the right rear suspension, i have no doubt they would have won.

rsr · 27 Jul 2009, 18:31 (Ref:2509392)

Quote:

Originally Posted by NightStalk3r

The 60 Porsche at Spa was far from Mediocre, Westbrook and Collard were fast as expected, Edwards set the cars best lap time and was always blindingly fast, and O' Young was maybe a second or so off the pace of the other 3, but still for the last 12 hours of the race it was consistantly the fastest car on track, if it wasnt for getting punted off by the #1 Massarati that broke the right rear suspension, i have no doubt they would have won.

Wesrbrook 23.4
edwards 24.5
collard 25.7
0 young 26.7

Sorry but Collard was very average

gwyllion · 28 Jul 2009, 16:15 (Ref:2510050)

Quote:

Originally Posted by AX lover

Quote:

Originally Posted by gwyllion

The last I read was that the Ferrari F450 (project name F142) road car will be presented in September during the Frankfurt Motor Show and will go on sale in 2010.

As I said before, the introduction is delayed

It turns out the introduction is still planned for Frankfurt. The first info and pictures of the F458 Italia are available at http://www.autoweek.com/article/2009...NEWS/907289997 It produces 570 bhp from a 4.5 liter engine. That is insane.

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