Safety car shambles - Page 13

Trevor · 26 Nov 2009, 09:22 (Ref:2589510)

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Originally Posted by STEALTHY

THE RULES ARE THE PROBLEM

With us now?

You won't win STEALTHY

peckstar · 26 Nov 2009, 09:30 (Ref:2589513)

have you ever though that maybe you need to use more words in your sentances so that your posts are clear

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I never said its unsafe.

what is "its" I took that to mean Reverse grids, because thats what we were discussing, now i can see you were referring to motorsport, but you didnt make that clear and then you mock me because i didnt understand what you were referring to.

seriously do you want to debate motorsport or do you want to trick people up with words make a choice,

peckstar · 26 Nov 2009, 09:35 (Ref:2589521)

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Originally Posted by Big_Trev

You won't win STEALTHY

Still waiting trev?

The rules are the problem is that what you are saying

do you have an issue with the idea of having a speed limiter so that as soon as an incident occurs ( that would normally warrant a SC) all cars are slowed to a set speed and can circulate no faster than that

Uncle Cranker · 26 Nov 2009, 09:39 (Ref:2589527)

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Originally Posted by STEALTHY

Hey look, a green car...........

Priceless !

How about "Squirrel" !

retro · 26 Nov 2009, 09:43 (Ref:2589530)

How about for the sake of the forum we call time on this thread...

Trevor · 26 Nov 2009, 09:58 (Ref:2589537)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

do you have an issue with the idea of having a speed limiter so that as soon as an incident occurs ( that would normally warrant a SC) all cars are slowed to a set speed and can circulate no faster than that

Oh FFS, I am sure I said that on about page 3, god I really need to leave this thread, this bloke is doing my head in, he is all yours Cranker [twitch]

Uncle Cranker · 26 Nov 2009, 09:59 (Ref:2589538)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

Still waiting trev?

The rules are the problem is that what you are saying

do you have an issue with the idea of having a speed limiter so that as soon as an incident occurs ( that would normally warrant a SC) all cars are slowed to a set speed and can circulate no faster than that

Pecker, as a trackside official of close to 20 years, who has had to take a sideways step out at an incident a number of times, can I just say; THAT is your most lucid moment ever !

When the in-car yellow light is introduced, lets add a ECM fix, that allows Race Control to simply flick a switch, and the cars either only get 35 % throttle, or have an induced maximum speed of 75 Kph, just like the pit lane speed limiter, but activated remotely.

It solves the issue of speeding cars, allows those back from the Safety Car to slowly catch it, and when the track is clear, RC simply turn it off, with a half lap to go, and let the stragglers catch the train, and then go racing......

Geez, if only I was President..... (i know who would be first against the wall)

STEALTHY · 26 Nov 2009, 10:07 (Ref:2589542)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

have you ever though that maybe you need to use more words in your sentances so that your posts are clear

what is "its" I took that to mean Reverse grids, because thats what we were discussing, now i can see you were referring to motorsport, but you didnt make that clear and then you mock me because i didnt understand what you were referring to.

seriously do you want to debate motorsport or do you want to trick people up with words make a choice,

Have a look at my post again, it CLEARLY only quotes the post of yours saying motorsport is unsafe blah blah, nothing to do with my post about reverse grids, or your other reply to it. All is well on my end. Can i suggest OPSM? Think thats where my Nanna gets her glasses from.....

hml2777 · 26 Nov 2009, 10:12 (Ref:2589550)

Goodness me, there is certainly some reading there. And here I was all this time thinking that Peckstar actually understood motorsport, but alas all is not well.

I am sure no-one on Conrod gives him anywhere near the grief that you peole are giving him, they respect his opinion and hold him in very high esteem. Can't you all see that that is justified?

BFC · 26 Nov 2009, 10:13 (Ref:2589551)

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Originally Posted by Big_Trev

Oh FFS, I am sure I said that on about page 3, god I really need to leave this thread, this bloke is doing my head in, he is all yours Cranker [twitch]

Hey Trev....ur wasting ur time arguing with a woman....is that right Michelle Peck??????? So he's really not playing the man is he? BTW Trev i got her email at bigpond if u want it

peckstar · 26 Nov 2009, 10:16 (Ref:2589553)

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Originally Posted by Big_Trev

Oh FFS, I am sure I said that on about page 3, god I really need to leave this thread, this bloke is doing my head in, he is all yours Cranker [twitch]

actually i said it on page 4 post 57 (and numerous times over the years), i don't believe you had came and even entered the discussion then

So then if we are in agreeance on that, then really there is no issue and you are arguing with me about nothing.

it solves both our issues making track workers safer and keeping the integrity of the race, It also means less safety cars because no longer do we have the issue of Safety cars breeding safety cars so its makes the racing safer. its also means that strategies can stay the same and people wont have to dive into the pits out of pattern(meaning lowndes and whincup would have got their 4peat) and also Pit lane will not be as full

only Stealthy will struggle as it reduces the entertainment he loves so much, sorry stealthy no more bunching up the field and crashes for you.

hml2777 · 26 Nov 2009, 10:18 (Ref:2589554)

Interesting 10-10ths thread here

STEALTHY · 26 Nov 2009, 10:24 (Ref:2589558)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

actually i said it on page 4 post 57 (and numerous times over the years), i don't believe you had came and even entered the discussion then

So then if we are in agreeance on that, then really there is no issue and you are arguing with me about nothing.

it solves both our issues making track workers safer and keeping the integrity of the race, It also means less safety cars because no longer do we have the issue of Safety cars breeding safety cars so its makes the racing safer. its also means that strategies can stay the same and people wont have to dive into the pits out of pattern(meaning lowndes and whincup would have got their 4peat) and also Pit lane will not be as full

only Stealthy will struggle as it reduces the entertainment he loves so much, sorry stealthy no more bunching up the field and crashes for you.

2 Things, Your post says Lowndes and Whincup would have got a 4peat if it wasn't for the SC. I think you'll find you meant to say Murphy/Skaife winning, they were in the box seat....

Not sure what your on about crashes, this thread is discussing the safety car, i think i might have to drum into you again I WAS BEING SARCASTIC when i said bring back reverse grids (ir more carnage)

hml2777 · 26 Nov 2009, 10:24 (Ref:2589559)

Aforementioned footage

STEALTHY · 26 Nov 2009, 10:26 (Ref:2589562)

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Originally Posted by hml2777

Aforementioned footage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFH4SoT6W-A

Not too different to that at Bahrain, although they supply their own marshals yes/no?

Keep in mind this thread isn't about marshal stupidity, which is what both of these links are. This is about Driver Stupidity

hml2777 · 26 Nov 2009, 10:26 (Ref:2589563)

another priceless bit of footage

hml2777 · 26 Nov 2009, 10:27 (Ref:2589565)

Oh, I really like this one

hml2777 · 26 Nov 2009, 10:29 (Ref:2589568)

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Originally Posted by STEALTHY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFH4SoT6W-A

Not too different to that at Bahrain, although they supply their own marshals yes/no?

Keep in mind this thread isn't about marshal stupidity, which is what both of these links are. This is about Driver Stupidity

ahh yes, but there are cars on the track and according to Peckstar they all know how to behave.

peckstar · 26 Nov 2009, 10:31 (Ref:2589569)

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Originally Posted by STEALTHY

2 Things, Your post says Lowndes and Whincup would have got a 4peat if it wasn't for the SC. I think you'll find you meant to say Murphy/Skaife winning, they were in the box seat....

Not sure what your on about crashes, this thread is discussing the safety car, i think i might have to drum into you again I WAS BEING SARCASTIC when i said bring back reverse grids (ir more carnage)

the first point is obviously one we cant answer, but based on fuel economy they would have won, remember no pit lane penalty (as they would not have been on the pits at the same time as frosty) and murph and skaife got dragged back into the race because of the SC. but its all hypothetically.

2nd point, you say you were being sarcastic, but its there in writing, you want the reverse grid back, thats cool its your choice

peckstar · 26 Nov 2009, 10:37 (Ref:2589572)

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Originally Posted by hml2777

ahh yes, but there are cars on the track and according to Peckstar they all know how to behave.

actually according to me, i say clowns shouldnt run on the track until the cars are under the control of the safety car.

so in all 3 of those cases you have clowns doing something they shouldnt

Tourer · 26 Nov 2009, 10:37 (Ref:2589573)

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Originally Posted by Uncle Cranker

When the in-car yellow light is introduced, lets add a ECM fix, that allows Race Control to simply flick a switch, and the cars either only get 35 % throttle, or have an induced maximum speed of 75 Kph, just like the pit lane speed limiter, but activated remotely.

Sorry uncle, that most definitely is not the go - imagine a multi car group hard at it in the middle of (say) turn 2 at Bathurst, cars balanced on the edge of the tyres & throttle and then a speed limiter or throttle limit kicks in - they all auger into the barrier. Not cool.

I think that the limiter idea is the go but maybe mandating it by the end of the sector that each car is in when the SC boards come out - it would take some doing but that could be verified & allow each driver to safely reduce speed allowing for the circumstances that they are in.

Uncle Cranker · 26 Nov 2009, 10:38 (Ref:2589576)

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Originally Posted by hml2777

Oh, I really like this one

Oh dear, was that Professor Sid Watkins losing a door there ?

TWRv12 · 26 Nov 2009, 10:41 (Ref:2589577)

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Originally Posted by retro

How about for the sake of the forum we call time on this thread...

Pointless to stop since the SC rules are so half baked, Race Director is struggling with the issue and the odd SC driver is going rogue. Surely you don't believe the issue is anywhere near fixed.

hml2777 · 26 Nov 2009, 10:41 (Ref:2589578)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

actually according to me, i say clowns shouldnt run on the track until the cars are under the control of the safety car.

so in all 3 of those cases you have clowns doing something they shouldnt

How do you know, do you hear the radio communication between race control and the marshalls concerned? They could have been told to pick a safe gap and do the job. I have heard of that sort of thing happening at v8 meetings. I have heard it happens fairly frequently at winton v8's because of the exceptional experience of the racesafe team they use down there.

STEALTHY · 26 Nov 2009, 10:43 (Ref:2589580)

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Originally Posted by peckstar

2nd point, you say you were being sarcastic, but its there in writing, you want the reverse grid back, thats cool its your choice

It was obvious to anyone with half a brain. I've clearly given you way too much credit in that regard.

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