AASA announce new Prod Car Enduro Series

[inpitlane]

The AASA have announced a new Production Car Endurance Series for 2011, Eastern Creek and Phillip Island both running rounds.
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[alfacors]

Yet more shenanigans.... why the production car fields can't get together and work properly on this is beyond me other than the obvious clash of AASA vs CAMS and the egos behind the scenes. Combine the fields and you'd get close to full grids at all circuits.... of course, that's looking at it with rose coloured glasses.... and shirt, and pants, and socks, and shoes and........

[PVDA]

underwear............

[alfacors]

Might as well dye my hair rose coloured too..... catch you at Sandown again in a couple of months mate?

[cptkablamo]

I like the concept but how many undersubscribed series do we need???

[davo.]

Does that mean there will be no AMC in 2011?, or just small fields

[Alan52]

So Eastern Creek in 2011 is now going to see the Shannons Nationals/PCAA 6 hour,the AASA/No dry break refueling 6 Hour and the ARDC $100K to the winner 8 Hour.This fragmentation of the competitor base is ridiculous and can only do bad things to the sport.

[DAVID PATERSON]

United we stand, divided we fall.

[Scrut]

Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

United we stand, divided we fall.

Again.

[alfacors]

A few points from my opinion only...

a. the whole "no dry break" argument is a silly one. Endurance racing needs it. If you're even semi-serious, you install it. If you don't want to butcher your car's panel, then fit it in the boot a la Steve Briffa's HSV.

b. the argument of "build a car and only be able to race once a year" is rubbish. Anyone who has a car that ran at the 12 Hour, could easily have run at the AMC rounds this year, including 1Hr races, and the 6Hr. They could even split the driving duties between 2 drivers to make it more affordable if they wished.

c. the last thing production car racing in Australia needs is another series. We don't even have one healthy series, so who in their right mind thinks we can afford to have two?

d. Regulations need to be common amongst both series, or you end up with someone with a car that's legal in one and not another, not a great way to engender support for your series. For example, cars built for the new series need to comply with CAMS 3E regs in order to comply for the 12 Hour. No use building a car to run the 6hr enduros and miss out on the big daddy around the Mountain is there?

e. See c.
f. See c.
g. See c.

[rich07]

Originally Posted by alfacors

c. the last thing production car racing in Australia needs is another series. We don't even have one healthy series, so who in their right mind thinks we can afford to have two?

d. Regulations need to be common amongst both series, or you end up with someone with a car that's legal in one and not another, not a great way to engender support for your series. For example, cars built for the new series need to comply with CAMS 3E regs in order to comply for the 12 Hour. No use building a car to run the 6hr enduros and miss out on the big daddy around the Mountain is there?

e. See c.
f. See c.
g. See c.

Some very good points there. especially c, e, f and g, (although d is still a very good point too). Its not good for production racing in this country to be so divided and in the end everyone will be worse off.

[Crash Test]

AMC, Bathurst 12, EC 8, iRace, AASA etc... Everyone wants a piece of the production car pie, but when the pie is a fun sized party pie, it makes precious little sense...

[FalconEL]

Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

United we stand, divided we fall.

Look, you guys know we need more Series', we have nowhere near enough categories in this country either!! Stop being so negative....

PS. Does this qualify as a GOTY Nomination???

[DAVID PATERSON]

Originally Posted by FalconEL

Look, you guys know we need more Series', we have nowhere near enough categories in this country either!! Stop being so negative....

PS. Does this qualify as a GOTY Nomination???

Baaaaa!

You're right though CD. There aren't enough series! Some guys even have to share their series with other competitors! There won't be enough series' until everyone gets one of their own. Then we'll all be champions!

[Oldtony]

Originally Posted by Crash Test

AMC, Bathurst 12, EC 8, iRace, AASA etc... Everyone wants a piece of the production car pie, but when the pie is a fun sized party pie, it makes precious little sense...

With the inclusion of the GTs in the 12hr can you realisticly still count that as part of the production car pie?
Never the less it is a real problem that there is apparently no common aim, or an attempt to at least have common regs.

[AUSRSR]

This is fantastic news. Another strong series under the AASA, don't have to put up with the bull**** CAMS stands for. It's nothing but good for the sport.

[PVDA]

You have to remember AASA doesn't chase events, event promotors approach AASA so obviously there's a need for this series outside the current sanctioning body.

It's going to be interesting to see how the 12 hr goes with the GT cars being included remembering the Procar series seemed to lose it's way once it was split up and the Nations Cup created and more GT cars appeared.

[AUSRSR]

Originally Posted by PVDA

You have to remember AASA doesn't chase events, event promotors approach AASA so obviously there's a need for this series outside the current sanctioning body.

It's going to be interesting to see how the 12 hr goes with the GT cars being included remembering the Procar series seemed to lose it's way once it was split up and the Nations Cup created and more GT cars appeared.

I'm a little worried about the possible speed differences between the classes. If the way the GT boys acted at the AGP event then holy smokes they and the slower cars are going to have to be on the money.

[PVDA]

Originally Posted by AUSRSR

be on the money.

or have lots of it to cover the repair bills

[davo.]

From enews. The Shannon Nationals & Cams are working on the structure for the 2011 Australian Manufacturers Championship even with the introduction of the AASA endurance series. The series will be 4 - 5 rounds with a mix of sprint & endurance racing. Cams wants the Australian 6 Hour at Eastern Creek to go ahead for 2011.

It will be interesting to see what series the competitors will commit to. Maybe teams will select events that are appealing to race at, and not commit to the whole championship.

[BFC]

Originally Posted by davo.

From enews.
It will be interesting to see what series the competitors will commit to.

Maybe the one with the least BULL****

[davo.]

Here is some more info on the 6 hour series

some of the circuits have changed.

The 2011 dates are:
Calder – April 8-10
Winton – June 3-5
Ipswich – August 5-8
Wakefield – October 28-30

http://www.drivermagazine.com.au/mot...s-in-2011.html

[PVDA]

Reading Davo's link I found this little gem.

It will be the first time in 24 years that a Day/Night 6 hour Enduro for Production Cars has been conducted on the Calder Park Raceway’s combined road/oval circuit at the 2011 event. The 4.216km combined road/oval was last used for the 1987 500 km World Touring Car Championship round won by Steve Soper and Pierre Dieudonne in a Ford Sierra.

It's going to be interesting to see how the cars handle the banked and bumpy Thunderdome section of the combined "International" circuit configuration at Calder Park.

[davo.]

Here is a media release for the cams endurance series. do you think production cars can support two endurance series?

http://www.drivermagazine.com.au/mot...announced.html

[PVDA]

That smacks of a knee jerk reaction to the recent AASA series announcement.

The Shannons Nationals appeared not long after the AMRS series moved to AASA just like a CAMS 6 Hour relay appeared not long after the original one in Victoria went to AASA.