holden monaro

[frimoto cremasy]

can holden monaros run in alms and lmes and fiagt

[JAG]

Apparently. A Vauxhall badged Monaro MAY compete in a LMES race or two.

[Chevyguy]

JAG, Waco Racer told me that the LS6 GM engine is the power plant in the Holden, just as it is in the GTO. Is that true?

[JAG]

I've not seen the GTO, but from what I understand the Holden, Vauxhall and Pontiac are exactly the same car.

Should cut down on devlopment costs. The Monaro has already got two Bathurst 24 Hours wins behind it!

[Chevyguy]

That was fast! Ummm...your post, and the car.

This is great info to me, as it yet another endurance race win for GM. Thanks, JAG!

Aren't they also handing Ford's ass to them in V8 Supercars?

[GTRMagic]

Originally posted by Chevyguy
Aren't they also handing Ford's ass to them in V8 Supercars?

Ah no, 2003 was Ford's first championship win since 1997...

And the Monaro will be quick, with Aaron Slight at the wheel, lets hope they have a huuugggeeee cache of spares...

[JAG]

http://www.bathurst24hr.com/

Some interesting stuff here.

[JAG]

Talking about Bathurst, I noticed on the Australian forums that there are still strong rumours of a Ford GT (new GT40) at Bathurst, maybe with backdoor Ford support!

[alfasud]

The question is, if it ran in ALMS or LMES or FIAGT, what class would it run in?

The Monaro's that ran at Bathurst 24hrs were miles away from the road car specification or anything that would be allowed in FIA N-GT or ACO GT... totaly different rear suspension, 7.0L V8 instead of road car 5.7L engine, etc, etc. Which might be acceptable under FIAGT or ACO GTS.... but in that case, why would any GM team run a Monaro instead of a Corvette C5R?

Can anyone tell me the production run required to run in ACO GT.... it's 75 for N-GT isn't it?

[JAG]

The Monaro could race in ACO GT even with a 7l engine. It would need road car based suspension etc, however.

[GTRMagic]

That wouldnt be a problem, most of the Commodore Supercar strut suspension & watts linkage could be adapted to the Monaro without much trouble

[alfasud]

I thought it was the Monaro rear suspension that was the issue? Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I didn't think the Commodore V8 supercar rear suspension was much like the Monaro or Commodore (road car) rear at all? So how does the V8 supercar suspension bits help?

[GTRMagic]

The Commodore Supercar is homologated under FIA rules, admittedly not for this class

Interestingly the Garry Rogers Motorsport site does not specifically detail the specification of the Monaro either... and PROCAR site is similarly devoid of information.

[racer69]

If the rumoured Ross Palmer Monaro's end up happening, then presumebly all of the arguing about the Monaro's eligibility will be finished.........then all that needs to be done is to be homologation....

[Splatz the Cow]

The point that most fans of the new Monaro dodge is that it was actually a prototype with no link at all to any road car but its name.

All parts are sourced from around the world or made in house as one off parts so it can be competitive.

It is less a road car than the Saleen or Mosler which are actual cars.

The engine is the C5-R motor which benefits from the Callaway and Pratt&Miller technologies.

[noise boy 2]

Originally posted by Chevyguy
JAG, Waco Racer told me that the LS6 GM engine is the power plant in the Holden, just as it is in the GTO. Is that true?

The pontiac GTO is in fact the Holden Monaro with new front and rear facia. The engines are LS1 GM engines that are built in the US shipped to australia to be installed, then the cars are re-imported to the US to be sold as Pontiac GTOs. The drivetrain for the Holden/Vauxhall/Pontiac is ensentially the same as the last of the F-bodies (Firebird/Camaro) with the addition of a IRS. Robert

[monaroCountry]

The Monaro's that ran at Bathurst 24hrs were miles away from the road car specification or anything that would be allowed in FIA N-GT or ACO GT... totaly different rear suspension, 7.0L V8 instead of road car 5.7L engine, etc, etc.

Ok forget about the monaro 427 its been argues to death already. How about holden/Elfins ms8 streamliner which was shown in the Melbourne motorshow.

FROM AUTOINDEX

Introducing the Holden-designed and powered Elfin MS8 Clubman and MS8 Streamliner


Holden has issued the following press release:

Holden showcased its design capability and powertrain prowess at the 2004 Melbourne International Motor Show today with two retro-cool V8 race performers created in collaboration with the Elfin all-Australian sports car marque.

These low-slung racers are an open wheeler track machine and a smooth-bodied Le Mans style roadster, which Elfin intends to call the Clubman and the Streamliner. They are hand-built specials which are thoroughly modern interpretations of an earlier motorsport era.

....Aimed squarely at the weekend club racer and historic vehicle enthusiast market, the V8 roadsters will be hand-built to order by Elfin with production expected to begin later this year.

Michael Simcoe, Holden's Executive Director Design, Asia Pacific, said the project highlighted the exhilarating performance potential to be realised by matching Holden's 245kW Gen III V8, six-speed gearbox, limited slip diff, ABS and traction control systems to a lightweight space frame with custom suspension and other specialised racing componentry.

"Given the Elfin power to weight ratio of 3.57kg/kW, (Clubman MS8) we estimate a 0-100 km/h time of about 3.5 seconds. This package of pure power, great chassis dynamics and looks to match is enough to place them right up there in the serious sports car league," Simcoe said.

....Elfin utilised Holden's advanced CAD and ALIAS resources to help design and build a multi-tubular space frame that would accommodate the V8 powertrain and deliver two-seater comfort.

The Streamliner MS8 and Clubman MS8 share the same proportions - long wheelbase (2290 mm), wide track (front 1460mm, rear 1430mm), custom-tuned suspension, racing brakes, 18-inch wheels and low profile 245/40 tyres. Streamliner's length is 3,500mm, 300 mm longer than the open wheeler Clubman at 3,200mm.

Elfin's independent suspension set-up features specifically developed components. It is rose-jointed and fully adjustable for bump, rebound and ride height to allow fine tuning according to individual driver preferences.

The high performance slotted and ventilated disc braking system (343mm front, 315mm rear) - mated to solid billet-machined aluminium 6- and 4-piston calipers respectively - is designed with 24-hour endurance racing in mind and is complemented by Holden ABS and traction control. Steering is direct rack and pinion.

Streamliner MS8

....Managing Director, Nick Kovatch, says once the vehicles have gained Australian Design Rules certification, the company hopes to build up to 100 units annually.

"We anticipate that pricing for the Streamliner MS at approximately $105,000. However, as these cars will be hand built to the specific order of each customer, these prices are really only indicative' Mr Kovatch concluded.

....MS8 Series Elfins are equipped with Holden powertrains - Gen III 5.7litre V8 engine, six speed manual transmission, 'V' car limited slip differential, ABS braking system, traction control and associated controls and sensors.

2004-02-27
Please quote Autoindex.org if You use this news article!

Imagine how potent this car could be with 300+ kw ls1 and further weight reductions. With an expected price tag of 105,000, fully road going, holden components, 0-60mph in 3.4sec.

[monaroCountry]

FEATURES
DRIVETRAIN
• Holden 5.7 litre Gen III alloy V8
• From 245 kW (I assume that a 300+ or 350kw engine would take this car into the high 2sec 0-100km)
• Holden 6 speed gearbox
• Holden Limited Slip Differential

SAFETY
• Traction control
• ABS braking system
• Cruise control (Have no idea why this race car has cruise control)

SUSPENSION
• Fully independent rear suspension with top and bottom wishbones plus toe link adjustment
• Front suspension with top and bottom chrome moly, unequal, aerofoil wishbones
• Fully adjustable race spec rose joints throughout
• Elfin alloy uprights (front and rear), fully adjustable for camber, caster and toe
• Coil over Koni shock absorbers, adjustable for bump, rebound and ride height

BRAKES
• Slotted and ventilated 4 wheel disc brake
• Front: 32 x 343mm discs
• Elfin alloy billet machined 6 pot calipers
• Rear: 18 x 315mm discs with handbrake
• Elfin alloy billet machined 4 pot calipers

STEERING/PEDALS
• Rack and pinion with adjustable steering column
• Fully adjustable alloy pedal box with brake bias adjustment
WHEELS/TYRES
• Alloy 18” wheels
• 235 x 40 tyres (I think the actualk car uses 245, imagine a 275 or 305)

Kerb Weight (est)
875 kg

ANTICIPATED PRICING
• Elfin MS8 Streamliner from $105,000


BTW this car is a two seater.

[Pilgrimage]

It looks like an accident between a TVR and a Panoz!!
And where on earth does the second person sit?

[monaroCountry]

on the bonnet ...nah jk. The left hand side cover could be taken out.

[skycafe]

It could be a new "Le Monstre" for LeMans!

The front looks sorta like the Bugatti 'tank.'

I like it!

[nsxr]

oh man thats cool

[Matthew Ronke]

Originally posted by JAG
Talking about Bathurst, I noticed on the Australian forums that there are still strong rumours of a Ford GT (new GT40) at Bathurst, maybe with backdoor Ford support!

There is talk about a company building the GT40 being outsouced by Ford possibly ready from this years bathurst 24Hour.

[JAG]

Originally posted by Matthew Ronke
There is talk about a company building the GT40 being outsouced by Ford possibly ready from this years bathurst 24Hour.