Australia's top 10 "non-professional" drivers - Page 3

Falcadore · 20 Dec 2006, 14:04 (Ref:1795781)

There is more than one Kerry Wade you know, just to confirm, has your Kerry Wade ever driven Improved Production in an exceedingly hot Escort?

Falcadore · 20 Dec 2006, 14:11 (Ref:1795788)

How about Ray Vandersee - went close to finishing runner up on Targa Tasmania in a car he built himself.

williamsf1 · 20 Dec 2006, 15:13 (Ref:1795892)

thats funny I do rate Ray! that skelter is like dating the good looking sister and the ugly one at once!!!

but seriously.... I was impressed that a highly strung car like that could be kept away from the green stuff for all of targa! WELL DONE!!!!

so who is going to add these names to a list for the great mob to vote on???

pete55 · 20 Dec 2006, 17:04 (Ref:1796019)

Simon Evans would fit nicely into any list also.

Peddler · 20 Dec 2006, 21:56 (Ref:1796231)

List so far... again in no particular order until we get a poll going in which we can then vote for the top 10. I think that we will keep this going until Christmas eve and then we will get the poll going

Remember, this is now open to all drivers who are not racing V8Supercars

Paul Kemal
Wayne Wakefield
David Reynolds
Luke Youlden
Warren McIlveen
David Wall
John Martin
Shane Hart
Adam Proctor
Marcus Zukanovic
Tim Macrow
Greg Crick
Simon Evans
Ray Vandesee
Kerry Wade
Daniel Reinardt
Nick Percat
Tobia Kipper
David Russell
Nick Parker
Mort Fitzgereald
Kane Rose
Sam Abay
Cameron Van Dendugen

Amonfan · 20 Dec 2006, 22:27 (Ref:1796251)

I agree with Oaksnaf on Reinhardt, he was very quick in a car that my brother raced back in 99 and before him Steve Owen.... My bro finished 3rd in the Vic State Series in it....

Nick Parker is another gun, and watch out for Josh Hughes when he makes the transition to cars in 07

.... Josh Scott is another young gun with plenty of speed so far......

pete55 · 20 Dec 2006, 23:31 (Ref:1796285)

We are getting a bit mixed up with the best 'Non Professional' and the future stars.

johnny yuma · 20 Dec 2006, 23:42 (Ref:1796293)

Ability to dominate on a wet track is a telling sign-Richards and Brock both had this.

Its too hard to compare talent unless you split it into drivers of openwheelers/race-built specials and modified street cars.

Someone like the late Peter Hopwood could wring the most out of any car but never became a household name.I dont think there are really all that many like him in the amateur world.

Peddler · 20 Dec 2006, 23:49 (Ref:1796296)

but we are talking about "currently racing" drivers

pete55 · 20 Dec 2006, 23:53 (Ref:1796299)

And we are talking about the top 10 Non Professional drivers.

Stocky · 21 Dec 2006, 00:05 (Ref:1796304)

Shane Price

John Martin

Mathew Wall

Ash Walsh

RotorFan · 21 Dec 2006, 00:36 (Ref:1796317)

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

As for my pick... Tony Ricciardello has the speed in his head in that Alfa sports sedan, and somehow needs the right circumstance to release it in V8Supercar!

Thats funny, I thought the speed was in the Alfa. If it was all skill, he should have performed much better in the V8 Supercar races. Yes, the Britek cars are not brilliant, but you can't blame the car for ending up in the embarrassing situations such as blocking pit lane at SP.

I would say Rodney Crick and Wayne Wakefield, the top 5 blokes in Saloons, HQs and Commodore Cup. Thats way more than 10, sorry.

**GTRMagic** · 21 Dec 2006, 00:36 (Ref:1796319)

I would put James Small on the list. In that junkbox Mygale (prior to the reworking of the chassis) it was several seconds quicker in one really bad wet session at Phillip Island a couple of years ago. The young guy has talent in the seat, and can actually prepare a car also, so knows what happens under the covers as well

**GTRMagic** · 21 Dec 2006, 00:38 (Ref:1796320)

Quote:

Originally Posted by RotorFan

Thats funny, I thought the speed was in the Alfa. If it was all skill, he should have performed much better in the V8 Supercar races. Yes, the Britek cars are not brilliant, but you can't blame the car for ending up in the embarrassing situations such as blocking pit lane at SP.

If you can drive sub-V8Supercar times at various circuits across the country, regardless of a car advantage (perceived or not) then you already know how to drive at mach 10... it then becomes a tuning exercise to get the driver and the car in sync... this piece is yet to happen for Mr Ricciardello in V8Supercar... he is yet to sit in a beastie long enough, or with the right engineering support (as he enjoys in the Alfa) to do too much with the opportunity

Nivola · 21 Dec 2006, 01:42 (Ref:1796352)

well gtr as always u hit the nail on the head. Tony only needs seat time.

I remember tony once saying the alfa is a racing car you need to grab it and drive it hard. A V8 is like puting your arm on the door and driving down the freeway!

Give him a car with downforce and you wont see him for dust.

GtiMagic · 21 Dec 2006, 01:58 (Ref:1796362)

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

he is yet to sit in a beastie long enough, or with the right engineering support (as he enjoys in the Alfa) to do too much with the opportunity

Not so sure it's to do with enough seat time so much as having the right right engineering support.

Damien White is a good example. He, to my knowledge, hasn't had massive amount of Supercar seat time and he hardly set the world on fire in the Britek machine at Sandown/Bathurst last year. He was however very impressive in his Fujitsu debut in a PMM (read: well engineered) VZ.

Give Tony a better car and you would see a better performance.

Falcadore · 21 Dec 2006, 02:54 (Ref:1796400)

Surely Simon Evans, a paid employee of Toyota Team Australia / Neal Bates Motorsport, is considered a professional?

johnny yuma · 21 Dec 2006, 04:09 (Ref:1796430)

Openwheeler-Steve Clucas [SA] F3 .Phillip Island 2006 fastest practice,won on a wet track,won on a dry track.

Cars with roof-Scott Bargwanna.split a field of Porsche,Ferrari,Viper and Exige
at EC in an Elise,and got 3rd best practice time.
-at the Tasman Revival beat all of the Mustangs,Camaros most
laps and first XUI under 1:50 EVER.

rdmdog · 21 Dec 2006, 08:48 (Ref:1796522)

Dave Wall, Scott Fleming, Davie Krause, Ryan Brown all make the list for differing reasons, and they are all nice guys to boot!!

cavvy · 21 Dec 2006, 10:12 (Ref:1796601)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nivola

well gtr as always u hit the nail on the head. Tony only needs seat time.

I remember tony once saying the alfa is a racing car you need to grab it and drive it hard. A V8 is like puting your arm on the door and driving down the freeway!

Give him a car with downforce and you wont see him for dust.

Falcadore ducks the prep of the DJR car by quoting Luffy's results - are you standing by the DJR line or do you admit Basil Ricciardello was prepared to pay for amateurs learning the game at his expense. The suggestion being DJR prepared the car professiomally after Basil pulled the pin.

Falc, did you check your sources or just run with the local line.

cavvy · 21 Dec 2006, 10:14 (Ref:1796604)

read Basil was not prepared to pay for amateurs ...

Falcadore · 21 Dec 2006, 12:07 (Ref:1796738)

I'm not standing anywhere, I'm sitting comfortably. I'm the stats boy remember. There will always be flaws in a sats based equation.

I'd like to think he was better than his results because I'd like to think a star driver could come from Sports Sedans, but its so hard to tell in this instance.

Nivola · 21 Dec 2006, 14:42 (Ref:1796875)

Falc stats always lie mate.

Was Gilles Villeneuve a backmarker? Stats surgest that.

Was Chris Amon a bad driver for all his DNF's?

Stats lie more than anything else (except a past ferrari driver and a v8championthat love to lie)<MY VIEW ONLY>

Peddler · 21 Dec 2006, 23:02 (Ref:1797200)

Quote:

Originally Posted by rdmdog

Dave Wall, Scott Fleming, Davie Krause, Ryan Brown all make the list for differing reasons, and they are all nice guys to boot!!

I also have got to give Scott Fleming a wrap as well... he is allways fast

Peddler · 21 Dec 2006, 23:04 (Ref:1797201)

ok gents... the list so far now contains just over 30 drivers

Paul Kemal
Wayne Wakefield
David Reynolds
Luke Youlden
Warren McIlveen
David Wall
John Martin
Shane Hart
Adam Proctor
Marcus Zukanovic
Tim Macrow
Greg Crick
Ray Vandesee
Kerry Wade
Daniel Reinardt
Nick Percat
Tobia Kipper
David Russell
Nick Parker
Mort Fitzgereald
Kane Rose
Sam Abay
Cameron Van Dendugen
Shane Price
Mathew Wall
Ash Walsh
James Small
Dave Wall
Scott Fleming
Davie Krause
Ryan Brown

If you feel anyone else should be added to the list, get your nominations in before 4pm this afternoon and we will get the poll going to get our voted top 10 and number 1 driver

View Poll Results: Who is Australia's top "non-professional" driver?
Sam Abay	0	0%
Ryan Brown	1	1.64%
Greg Crick	4	6.56%
Mort Fitzgerald	0	0%
Scott Fleming	3	4.92%
Shane Hart	2	3.28%
Bruce Heinrich	4	6.56%
Paul Kemal	11	18.03%
Tobia Kipper	7	11.48%
David Krause	0	0%
Tim Macrow	1	1.64%
John Martin	0	0%
Warren McIlveen	1	1.64%
Ben Morley	3	4.92%
Nick Parker	3	4.92%
Nick Percat	2	3.28%
Jack Perkins	4	6.56%
Shane Price	5	8.20%
Adam Proctor	1	1.64%
Daniel Reinhardt	0	0%
David Reynolds	8	13.11%
Tony Ricciardello	6	9.84%
Kane Rose	0	0%
David Russell	0	0%
Luke Searle	3	4.92%
James Small	1	1.64%
Cameron Van Dendungen	1	1.64%
Ray Vandersee	1	1.64%
Kerry Wade	1	1.64%
Wayne Wakefield	2	3.28%
David Wall	2	3.28%
Mathew Wall	1	1.64%
Ash Walsh	2	3.28%
Stephen White	3	4.92%
Luke Youlden	9	14.75%
Marcus Zukanovic	4	6.56%
TBA	3	4.92%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 61. You may not vote on this poll

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