Top 10 International Drivers to Race @ Bathurst

GROUPA · 13 Oct 2013, 22:56 (Ref:3317461)

It's been raised today given the Priaulx/Ekstrom drive. Who can be included into the best international drivers to run @ the mountain.

No doubt Ickx but who else can we add to the list
Cecotto, Hulme, Moss, Pruett, Soper, Winkelhock

sweetchuk · 13 Oct 2013, 23:04 (Ref:3317465)

Ickx then daylight .. results / reasons / opinion here:

http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....&postcount=403

http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....&postcount=411

Honourable mentions go to Klaus Ludwig, Klaus Niedzwiedz & Steve Soper, who were all extremely fast and well accomplished in their field.

db120176 · 13 Oct 2013, 23:18 (Ref:3317471)

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Originally Posted by GROUPA

It's been raised today given the Priaulx/Ekstrom drive. Who can be included into the best international drivers to run @ the mountain.

No doubt Ickx but who else can we add to the list
Cecotto, Hulme, Moss, Pruett, Soper, Winkelhock

What is the measure - their career as a whole, or their efforts in the Great Race?

Counting NZ drivers as well? We generally like to think the good ones are ours (eg. Steven Richards)

GROUPA · 13 Oct 2013, 23:39 (Ref:3317476)

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Originally Posted by db120176

What is the measure - their career as a whole, or their efforts in the Great Race?

I'll go for career for Moss could not do much about the Liberace start to his race with Brabham

Armco Bender · 13 Oct 2013, 23:48 (Ref:3317479)

Don't forget the great Canadian driver Alan Moffat.

2004 is the answer to save you looking it up.

Alan52 · 14 Oct 2013, 02:08 (Ref:3317513)

There would have to be 2 separate lists in rating the efforts of international drivers at Bathurst.One list would be those who came and raced cars they were familiar with -Group A and Super Touring- and another list for those that raced cars that were in a uniquely Australian formula-Group C and V8 Supercars.
Percy,Ludwig,Niediewicz and Rydell would be my picks for the first list and Ickz,Bell,Cleland and Ekstrom my choices for the second although none of them necessarily in that order.
The list should be based on their performance at Bathurst not an overall career assessment.

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Datto1600 · 14 Oct 2013, 03:41 (Ref:3317522)

Win Percy would have to be in the top ten

pete60 · 14 Oct 2013, 03:45 (Ref:3317524)

How about John Fitzpatrick? He won it in 1976 and drove in the era when the convential wisdom was that only local drivers could drive the Mountain.

racer69 · 14 Oct 2013, 06:35 (Ref:3317553)

Neidzweidz left an impression on me, partly due i would say to being i started watching and grew up with the Group A era. During that era, he was someone who was unlucky not to get a win against his name.

Klaus Ludwig and Alain Menu were two drivers who seemed to adapt to the track like a duck to water. There seems to be a belief that overseas drivers can't get the hang of Bathurst, when in reality the track is little trouble to them, it is all about getting used to the cars these days. Radisich did well in his early Bathurst starts when he was racing open-wheelers and then BTCC in the early days.

Ekstrom was very impressive too, hopefully he comes back.

Biscuits In A Red Bull · 14 Oct 2013, 07:03 (Ref:3317560)

Win Percy should be top 5 - the most wins for a non-Antipodean driver.

Rob Bailey · 14 Oct 2013, 07:51 (Ref:3317572)

David Hobbs?
Armin Hahne
and Walkinshaw ,if not just for his qualifying lap in '85.
D.Bell for his drive in '77 and with Moffat in the RX7.
Schuppan was fast with Moffat in'76.

m00neelee · 14 Oct 2013, 09:03 (Ref:3317606)

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Originally Posted by GROUPA

It's been raised today given the Priaulx/Ekstrom drive. Who can be included into the best international drivers to run @ the mountain.

No doubt Ickx but who else can we add to the list
Cecotto, Hulme, Moss, Pruett, Soper, Winkelhock

Rauno Aaltonen and Timo Makinen have to be on any list. Both rally champions, both with limited circuit racing experience who showed the locals how a Mini Cooper should be driven.

Belly13 · 14 Oct 2013, 09:06 (Ref:3317611)

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Originally Posted by Datto1600

Win Percy would have to be in the top ten

Definitely

Belly13 · 14 Oct 2013, 09:07 (Ref:3317613)

Dare I say Rickard Rydell??

Umai Naa · 14 Oct 2013, 13:03 (Ref:3317740)

I'd have Rydell on my list.

2:14 in a Super Tourer is nothing to sneeze at.

Chappelli · 14 Oct 2013, 19:22 (Ref:3317864)

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Originally Posted by sweetchuk

Ickx then daylight .. results / reasons / opinion here:

http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....&postcount=403

http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....&postcount=411

Honourable mentions go to Klaus Ludwig, Klaus Niedzwiedz & Steve Soper, who were all extremely fast and well accomplished in their field.

Ickx no doubt had great pedigree... As aforementioned, it's pretty easy to jump in the fastest car in the field and look good.... I think the fact that he was 2 seconds a lap slower than Moffat puts the performance @ Bathurst into perspective though.....

Armco Bender · 14 Oct 2013, 20:50 (Ref:3317914)

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Ickx then daylight ..

If your just going on pedigree Hulme trumps Ickx.

chavez · 14 Oct 2013, 20:52 (Ref:3317917)

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Originally Posted by Armco Bender

If your just going on pedigree Hulme trumps Ickx.

And some bloke named Sir John Arthur Brabham arguably trumps both.

eduardo1 · 16 Oct 2013, 06:01 (Ref:3318291)

The problem with this discussion is there's no criteria that we're judging it off.

If it's the best international drivers to compete - it's Sir Jack - 3 world titles.

If it's who performed the best, would be hard to go past Klaus Ludwig. First ever driver to put it on pole on debut and won the race (yes yes I know, excluded but wheel arches don't let you beat all the best locals by 2 laps all on their own!)

The other would be Rickard Rydell - his 1998 lap was the true 'lap of the gods'. A 2m14 in a Volvo 2L. It was perfect. Murphy admitted he made mistakes on his lap, including missing a gear.

BUT - they came out here in their own cars.

Who adjusted best to 'our' cars? Ickx is a candidate. Ekstrom was brilliant, although Bleekemolen was almost as fast as him in SvG's car.

And do we judge it on best debut, or a sustained career of return visits? Win Percy would have to be up there if that were the case.

Rob Bailey · 16 Oct 2013, 06:43 (Ref:3318297)

Mods..where is the balance of the thread?
Why was it removed?

one five five · 16 Oct 2013, 07:03 (Ref:3318304)

Radisich did great things in Sierra's and the Falcon in '93 when he was driving foreign cars in a foreign land.

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Originally Posted by Rob Bailey

Mods..where is the balance of the thread?
Why was it removed?

The site went down and a big chunk of posts were lost.

Rob Bailey · 16 Oct 2013, 07:39 (Ref:3318318)

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Originally Posted by one five five

Radisich did great things in Sierra's and the Falcon in '93 when he was driving foreign cars in a foreign land.

The site went down and a big chunk of posts were lost.

Ta,thought that was the issue as was unable to log on for several hours.

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