LM24 Le Mans, the diesel era? - Page 2

Fab · 9 Mar 2005, 13:30 (Ref:1247688)

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Originally Posted by tblincoe

at LM i thought that the engine sounded really great... it had a snarling, raspy sort of engine note... almost a louder and more aggressive Ferrari 550 sound.

Huh ?

Tb, you did hear that sound at LM ? Seriously ?

I spent a lot of time near or above Taurus pits, saw the diesel one (#4) under my eyes collapse two or three times, and never heard a sound... the other one (#10, Judd engine) was great as usual (=Olive Garden 2000 Lola).

Check : Tb, I assume you're mentionning the #10 sound, the Judd one...

**Bentley03** · 9 Mar 2005, 17:29 (Ref:1247929)

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Originally Posted by Fab

Huh ?

Tb, you did hear that sound at LM ? Seriously ?

Check : Tb, I assume you're mentionning the #10 sound, the Judd one...

The diesel caterpillar was the number 10, Fab, I'm pretty sure.

JAG · 9 Mar 2005, 18:28 (Ref:1247970)

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Originally Posted by spanner

I was surprised to see on DSC that the Tauraus Lola is still going and has been developed. Did hear on here the team went into recievership, so maybe there trying to go it alone.

And apparently it is much quicker and has generally been 'tidied up'.

Hope to see the team out in some LMES races this season and get the backing they deserve.

Fab · 9 Mar 2005, 18:44 (Ref:1247988)

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Originally Posted by Bentley03

The diesel caterpillar was the number 10, Fab, I'm pretty sure.

Silly me ! #4 the Judd, #10 the diesel... Alzheimer, I think...

tblincoe · 9 Mar 2005, 19:31 (Ref:1248040)

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Originally Posted by Fab

Huh ?

Tb, you did hear that sound at LM ? Seriously ?

I spent a lot of time near or above Taurus pits, saw the diesel one (#4) under my eyes collapse two or three times, and never heard a sound... the other one (#10, Judd engine) was great as usual (=Olive Garden 2000 Lola).

Check : Tb, I assume you're mentionning the #10 sound, the Judd one...

i have video of the diesel from the LM test days and it sounded very unique and aggressive to me... maybe it just sounded different on video than in person?

archibold · 10 Mar 2005, 11:50 (Ref:1248469)

The big issue seems to be (according to one of our engineer's who works on diesel truck engines for a living) is that as you increase the power of the diesel engine you get an increase in torque, which is good in principle, but getting the driver train to deal with the torque is the real challenge. Not getting the power out of the engine.

TerryC · 10 Mar 2005, 11:54 (Ref:1248474)

I am still very sceptical about the statement, "we have resolved the black smoke problem". I wouldn't thought that was possible at all because all diesel powered cars smoke when pushed.

Chucky · 11 Mar 2005, 00:23 (Ref:1249078)

I remember the diesel powered Offshore Power Boats used to sound pretty impressive. (When the UIM allowed it). Maritimo still run one down here in Oz and even with a weight penalty it is still awesome.

Although they had the worst case of turbo lag this side of a freight train!

I think if Audi were to get serious about it the results would come. Doesn't that Lola just have a CAT V8 in it?

JAG · 11 Mar 2005, 00:25 (Ref:1249079)

Think its a VW V10!

Truckosaurus · 11 Mar 2005, 10:12 (Ref:1249278)

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Originally Posted by JAG

Think its a VW V10!

It's is. I recall reading on DSC that they had an engineless VW Toerag parked up in the workshop, as that was the easiest way to get an engine.

Having watched some truck racing last year, the front running teams (with the newer trucks) seemed to be able to make power without, much, smoke whereas the smaller teams who'd obviously just crudely turned up the boost and fuelling were smoking like a beagle.

d-b · 12 Mar 2005, 15:37 (Ref:1250317)

hi there

if you think thats smoke

watch tractor pulling

now THATS smoke

d-b

**Bentley03** · 30 Mar 2005, 19:47 (Ref:1265619)

There's an interesting little rumour kicking around the Infoscourse forum today. Apparently RS magazine has an article celebrating Porsches imminent return to Le Mans, with a V8 diesel.

.........

Silk Cut Jaguar · 30 Mar 2005, 22:56 (Ref:1265796)

Is it in Porsche's interest to run a diesel though? I'd have thought if they wanted to go that route they would just put an oil burner in a 911 varient but who knows.

Fab · 31 Mar 2005, 03:44 (Ref:1265888)

Something odd too : on the ACO letter I got yesterday, they seem to insist on the "ecological" side of racing (less noise, less smoke, low gazoline consumption, etc...).

I don't know for you, but I don't like it. Racing is racing, as long as it's on circuits...

Javi · 31 Mar 2005, 07:19 (Ref:1265956)

porsche´s got no diesel engines, no it makes no sense to them to race one. It would be logical for VW, audi or something similar

Spiteful · 31 Mar 2005, 16:10 (Ref:1266347)

Maybe they'll put a VW Diesel in the Cayenne
Maybe the Porsche and Audi lmp's will be pretty much the same
Maybe I'm full of ****

**Bentley03** · 31 Mar 2005, 16:31 (Ref:1266363)

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Originally Posted by Spiteful

Maybe they'll put a VW Diesel in the Cayenne.

I think that is the implication. Somehow the words 'Porsche' and 'diesel' don't sit very comfortably together!

Dauntless · 31 Mar 2005, 17:14 (Ref:1266393)

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Originally Posted by Bentley03

Somehow the words 'Porsche' and 'diesel' don't sit very comfortably together!

I'm not so sure about that. For instance, BMW and Honda are not names normally associated with diesel's, either, yet when they finally built them there was no question that these were not pedestrian tractor motors...

Personally, I'd love to see a three-marque dog fight for diesel honours at Le Mans!

JAG · 31 Mar 2005, 17:39 (Ref:1266412)

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Originally Posted by Javi

porsche´s got no diesel engines, no it makes no sense to them to race one. It would be logical for VW, audi or something similar

Theres was an article in a UK magazine, may have been EVO, whch said Porsche were developing a diesal engine for the Cayenne (sp) and the new Porsche 'saloon' car.

**Bentley03** · 31 Mar 2005, 21:33 (Ref:1266613)

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Originally Posted by Dauntless

I'm not so sure about that. For instance, BMW and Honda are not names normally associated with diesel's, either, yet when they finally built them there was no question that these were not pedestrian tractor motors...

Personally, I'd love to see a three-marque dog fight for diesel honours at Le Mans!

BMW and Honda are mainstream family car manufacturers who happen to produce sportscars and sports variants of mainstream models. But their core business is everyday transport for the masses. Without diesels in their range they would be ignoring a huge sector of the market.

Although Lamborghini has it's roots set firmly in the farmyard and Porsche's roots are equally unlikely, today they are both specialist exotic sportscar manufacturers. These marques sit alongside the likes of Aston Martin and Ferrari amongst others. They all make sexy and highly desirable toys for those who can afford them. Diesel is not sexy!

If Porsche want to put a diesel in their Cayenne that's fine by me, but they should demonstrate the capabilities of the diesel on the Paris Dakar and Rally Raid events.

In contrast, I really do hope Audi pursue the diesel option in 2006. The link to the performance diesel engines they are introducing to their model range is far less tenuous. Because, like BMW and Honda, they are selling sensible cars to the masses.

kdr · 31 Mar 2005, 21:44 (Ref:1266625)

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Originally Posted by Bentley03

I think that is the implication. Somehow the words 'Porsche' and 'diesel' don't sit very comfortably together!

neither did "porsche" and "people carrier"...but look what they gone and did!

JAG · 31 Mar 2005, 21:50 (Ref:1266631)

A BMW 330D is pretty sexy, for a saloon car, and drives much better than the 330 petrol version.

Can't see a high performance diesal engine sounding any worse than the V6 turbo fitted to the XJ220!

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