TCR Europe Series Season 2018 - Page 10

Umai Naa · 22 Oct 2018, 08:49 (Ref:3858352)

Yet people were saying Borkovic was a more-deserving champion than Azcona

Mark0994 · 22 Oct 2018, 09:14 (Ref:3858361)

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Originally Posted by Umai Naa

Yet people were saying Borkovic was a more-deserving champion than Azcona

Blind fanboys.

TR4racer · 22 Oct 2018, 09:20 (Ref:3858364)

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Originally Posted by Mark0994

And yet World champion Huff in 50kg lighter Golf was just 0.020 faster then Hyundai's in WTCR. On other side Honda surprised both me and Files (he said that). I didn't expect them to be faster then Hyundai.

Also Bokrovic took out Tassi on purpose, he said that himself, he also called Michelisz idiot, so professional...

All we can do is compare like for like on the same day, at the same circuit and in the same conditions. Sutton was the fastest Golf on the day.

Cinghio44 · 22 Oct 2018, 09:24 (Ref:3858367)

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Originally Posted by TR4racer

So, comparing the Honda to the Golf. Honda has 1305 kgs, the Golf 1265 kgs (Sutton got an extra 20kgs taking it to 1285 kgs), Honda ride height 80 mm, Golf ride right 60 mm, Honda power 97.5%, Golf power 100%. Hyundai was 1305 kgs, 90 mm and 97.5%. Honda (with Halder 1325 kgs) yet still Honda and Hyundai drivers beat Sutton...

So, having the fastest and lightest car and he can only get P3 against heavier and slower cars that are driven by less experienced drivers, hardly kicking ass’ is it...

I guess, on balance, all we can truly say is that Sutton was the best Golf driver this weekend and nothing else.

The Golf has that advantages because it needs to be raised at the level of Hyundai and Honda that are better cars. It is common knowledge that the Golf model hasn't the best aero out there, so it needs more power.

Anyway if you have watched the races, Sutton really impressed me his with driving. He made some brillant moves as Vernay did. They were the best drivers in Barcellona in my opinion

Mark0994 · 22 Oct 2018, 09:40 (Ref:3858374)

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Originally Posted by TR4racer

All we can do is compare like for like on the same day, at the same circuit and in the same conditions. Sutton was the fastest Golf on the day.

Agree. But I just pointed Golf disadvantage in WTCR on short track where they should be good.

Cinghio44 · 22 Oct 2018, 10:12 (Ref:3858381)

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Originally Posted by Mark0994

Also Bokrovic took out Tassi on purpose, he said that himself, he also called Michelisz idiot, so professional...

Really he said that??

From what I've seen, Borkovic tried to turn but he had the rear left suspension collapsed so he then crashed into the unlucky Tassi... but maybe I'm wrong...

MagicBoy · 22 Oct 2018, 11:00 (Ref:3858386)

Excellent first event from Sutton. Fastest Golf, first time out with tyre and ballast penalties.

Mark0994 · 22 Oct 2018, 11:14 (Ref:3858391)

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Originally Posted by Cinghio44

Really he said that??

From what I've seen, Borkovic tried to turn but he had the rear left suspension collapsed so he then crashed into the unlucky Tassi... but maybe I'm wrong...

He said
"Tassi and Files has hit me on purpose and they broke my wheel. I need to get that back, so I hit Tassi, because it's only fair that both of us retire."
It's on his fb account. If you someone who knows Serbian, besides me, you can ask them to translate it for you.

TR4racer · 22 Oct 2018, 11:18 (Ref:3858393)

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Originally Posted by Cinghio44

The Golf has that advantages because it needs to be raised at the level of Hyundai and Honda that are better cars. It is common knowledge that the Golf model hasn't the best aero out there, so it needs more power.

Anyway if you have watched the races, Sutton really impressed me his with driving. He made some brillant moves as Vernay did. They were the best drivers in Barcellona in my opinion

I was in Barcelona for this event and cannot agree with you but I respect your opinion. In the paddock other drivers complained about his aggressive driving tactics. So, brilliant overtaking or the usual BTCC push to pass tactic, all a matter of opinion. He was simply the fastest Golf driver in my opinion when you look at the facts.

In terms of overtakes, in Race 1 he started 6 and finished 4th after Files got a delaminating tyre and after Azcona got out of the way to protect his championship. I. race 2 he started 4 and finished 3rd after pushing Terting out of the way. Hardly brilliant overtaking.

It will be interesting to see how he compares to others when in the same equipment.

Mark0994 · 22 Oct 2018, 11:46 (Ref:3858396)

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Originally Posted by TR4racer

In terms of overtakes, in Race 1 he started 6 and finished 4th after Files got a delaminating tyre and after Azcona got out of the way to protect his championship. I. race 2 he started 4 and finished 3rd after pushing Terting out of the way. Hardly brilliant overtaking.

Well you can say that to any other driver.
Only Verney used speed of Audi to overtake people on the straight.
But it's touring cars, it's ok to be little aggressive, just don't put the people of the track.

TR4racer · 22 Oct 2018, 13:04 (Ref:3858418)

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Originally Posted by Mark0994

Well you can say that to any other driver.
Only Verney used speed of Audi to overtake people on the straight.
But it's touring cars, it's ok to be little aggressive, just don't put the people of the track.

Agree that ‘rubbing is racing’ as used by Sutton on Terting and that Vernay used the Audi’s speed to overtake on the straights so I still fail to see how Sutton’s 1 overtake on Terting and Vernay using the Audi’s on the straights means that their overtaking was ‘brilliant’ Perhaps i am missing something 😂😂

MagicBoy · 22 Oct 2018, 14:20 (Ref:3858427)

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Originally Posted by TR4racer

I was in Barcelona for this event and cannot agree with you but I respect your opinion. In the paddock other drivers complained about his aggressive driving tactics. So, brilliant overtaking or the usual BTCC push to pass tactic, all a matter of opinion. He was simply the fastest Golf driver in my opinion when you look at the facts.

In terms of overtakes, in Race 1 he started 6 and finished 4th after Files got a delaminating tyre and after Azcona got out of the way to protect his championship. I. race 2 he started 4 and finished 3rd after pushing Terting out of the way. Hardly brilliant overtaking.

It will be interesting to see how he compares to others when in the same equipment.

He was assertive, didn't see anything over aggressive or dirty. He rattled some cages.

The regulars getting irritated is inevitable when a young hotshot makes his first appearance in the last round of a championship they've been racing all season.

Cinghio44 · 22 Oct 2018, 15:28 (Ref:3858437)

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Originally Posted by TR4racer

Agree that ‘rubbing is racing’ as used by Sutton on Terting and that Vernay used the Audi’s speed to overtake on the straights so I still fail to see how Sutton’s 1 overtake on Terting and Vernay using the Audi’s on the straights means that their overtaking was ‘brilliant’ Perhaps i am missing something

The Audi has the speed advantage but Vernay did his overtakes in the braking and for me he showed something more from the others as Sutton did.

For Sutton was the first euro race and he was immediately on the pace and able to fight with the best. That was impressive

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Originally Posted by Mark0994

He said
"Tassi and Files has hit me on purpose and they broke my wheel. I need to get that back, so I hit Tassi, because it's only fair that both of us retire."
It's on his fb account. If you someone who knows Serbian, besides me, you can ask them to translate it for you.

Wow, he should be penalised for that. He completely lost his mind in this final races...

JDMROB · 22 Oct 2018, 16:04 (Ref:3858448)

Sutton was the only one who looked like he wanted to overtake, the rest of the grid looked happy to follow each other round until someone made a mistake or had a puncture. I don't class that as touring cars. It was quite boring other the Sutton attacks.

Others will disagree with me I'm sure.

Cinghio44 · 22 Oct 2018, 17:23 (Ref:3858463)

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Originally Posted by JDMROB

Sutton was the only one who looked like he wanted to overtake, the rest of the grid looked happy to follow each other round until someone made a mistake or had a puncture. I don't class that as touring cars. It was quite boring other the Sutton attacks.

Others will disagree with me I'm sure.

I had the same feeling

KCMG drivers were looking for result to bring home the team Championship, maybe the others wanted only a good finish without doing mistakes or damages

TR4racer · 22 Oct 2018, 19:52 (Ref:3858495)

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Originally Posted by Cinghio44

The Audi has the speed advantage but Vernay did his overtakes in the braking and for me he showed something more from the others as Sutton did.

For Sutton was the first euro race and he was immediately on the pace and able to fight with the best. That was impressive
Wow, he should be penalised for that. He completely lost his mind in this final races...

So the damage to Files’s car was on the rear where Borkovic hit him after a brilliant overtake into the hairpin. Borkovic hitting Files allowed Tassi through, if it is true that Borkovic has posted this on FB then it needs to be investigated

MagicBoy · 22 Oct 2018, 22:42 (Ref:3858519)

The more I see of Borkovic, the more I think he's a thug...

Umai Naa · 23 Oct 2018, 01:45 (Ref:3858534)

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The more I see of Borkovic, the more I think he's a thug...

I'm starting to agree.

Juntos · 25 Oct 2018, 21:53 (Ref:3859193)

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The more I see of Borkovic, the more I think he's a thug...

I disagree. He is just oversized for the grid.

MagicBoy · 26 Oct 2018, 00:24 (Ref:3859210)

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I disagree. He is just oversized for the grid.

It was a comment on his attitude to racing. See post #233. It wasn't a quip about his physical stature.

back at you.

Juntos · 5 Nov 2018, 00:05 (Ref:3860994)

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It was a comment on his attitude to racing. See post #233. It wasn't a quip about his physical stature.

back at you.

Both are related.

BobJones · 5 Nov 2018, 14:36 (Ref:3861128)

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Originally Posted by Cinghio44

The Golf has that advantages because it needs to be raised at the level of Hyundai and Honda that are better cars.

Agreed. All VAG (Cupra, VW and Audi) models lack the front-end turn-in and also corner-exit traction of the Honda, and especially the Hyundai. I hope there is an upgrade package for the vehicles, BoP can only mask so much.

BobJones · 5 Nov 2018, 14:40 (Ref:3861129)

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Originally Posted by TR4racer

I was in Barcelona for this event and cannot agree with you but I respect your opinion. In the paddock other drivers complained about his aggressive driving tactics. So, brilliant overtaking or the usual BTCC push to pass tactic, all a matter of opinion.

You simply got hurt by the BTCC years ago and then go around the internet lambasting anything remotely to do with it. I'm sure the people in the TCR threads will see that over time.

TR4racer · 6 Nov 2018, 13:52 (Ref:3861360)

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You simply got hurt by the BTCC years ago and then go around the internet lambasting anything remotely to do with it. I'm sure the people in the TCR threads will see that over time.

'Lambasting anything remotely to do with it' - your evidence is......the only forum I post on is ten/tenths, hardly going around the internet is it?

**FIRE** · 6 Nov 2018, 18:16 (Ref:3861411)

Please respect the others opinion.

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