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2 Oct 2008, 18:03 (Ref:2302936) | #1 | |
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[DTM] The final breath!?
At the german motorsport portal "Motorsport-Total" you can find rumors about a new Manufacture that maybe will join the DTM. Citroen, Infinity an Jaguar are the options. If i remeber, Citroen says a few month ago that the DTM is no opinion. Infinity will capture the europeen market and planning a 5year motorsport engagement, but DTM i don't know :/
Jaguar with new holder Tata have a lot money... and with the Jaguar XF a compatible car. I don't like the new DTM and i hope this will be the last attemps before the series gonna die. Maybe they will be found a new new DTM without ITR and HWA. What do you think guys? |
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Jaguar might be an appropriate make for it, but I'm not sure how much Tata know about motorsport. I don't even think Germany is a big market for them though (but feel free to correct me). Especially when they are doing a GT3 programme.
If DTM dies (which is possible but not particularly likely), I'm not sure what will replace it - I think in the current economic climate and car buying trends, I think we might see ADAC Procar becoming the DTM or the teams simply going in to the WTCC or something ... |
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Most germans don't like the motorsport fighting like we see it at S2000 Racing or V8 Supercars, they like the show and the spectacular cars. Pro Car will never become nearly the same status like DTM. Sad but true... :/
The ITR and HWA guys always get too big for one's boots, they always wanna have the bigger, better, faster Series but don't realize that they exclude herself more and more and the whole thing is getting more expensive and more and more boring. And the corny joke, they wonder why there is no other manufacture.... a few month ago the talked about to change the rules like the V8Star Series long ago. a few years ago Hans Werner Aufrecht talked about the V8Star rules as they are absolute nonsense... now they wanna change to this nonsense... these guys are senile. If they wanna have an upper class TouringCar Championship they must put a pool together with other Associations and then they will maybe find a good solution. For Example an V8 Supercars adaption, this series ist cheaper, more spectacular, more competitive, ..... i loved the old DTM from 1990 till 1996 and watched a few races live then, that was really good motorsport. But with the introduction of the Class 1 Cars the sands were running out (but i loved the Class 1 anyway ) |
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Jaguar won't enter DTM, they're expected to return to LeMans in 2010 or 2011.
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I think Jaguar won't enter DTM, we can expect Toyota/Lexus, may be Honda/Acura, may be Citroen, if the decide to leave WRC, may be BMW, if they decide to leave WTCC. |
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But in the end, there will be no manufacturer that will want to get on board of the sinking ship
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DTM first needs to get the show back on the rails. Make the championship attractive again and fun to watch, then other manufacturers will join the fun. The Aussie V8's show that its very possible to have a highly attractive championship which is fun to watch with only 2 brands.
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3 Oct 2008, 09:59 (Ref:2303333) | #9 | |
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Problem is that they only want to get the show back on the rails (change the regs) when an other manufacturer enters. First harvest, then sow.
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Thats why we could expect new entries 2010/11 when the new rules should arrive.
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Right now there aren't even rumours about what a new ruleset could look like anymore. And then there's the problem with Audi and Mercs product cycles being out of phase, so when a rule-change comes one of those will get the short end of the stick as they'll have to retire a new or realtively new car. That's another reason, why they are only willing to have new rules when a new manufacturer comes in. |
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The solution for that would be a spec chassis with silhouettes. Not that I'd like to see that, but since the cars are prototypes anyway they might as well go down that route.
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Difficult to find anything that is so expensive and so tedious and boring
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Formula 1 the only thing that works well is the marketing, still too many people likes that crap. |
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4 Oct 2008, 01:04 (Ref:2303779) | #16 | |
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Have to agree there, a DTM race has at least as much overtaking and action as a F1 race and the cost is still a lot less.
And as long as the DTM marketing can keep filling up the seats with PAYING customers, far beyond any other TC or GT related series, DTM is not going to die, whatever we motorsports fanatics might think of it. As long as the average guy on the street is going to PAY for watching it, it's sure as hell aint going away. PS personally I do like both DTM and F1, and happily see that both IMO are taking the right steps for the future (finally, and a lot slower then I would like, but at least it's the right direction...) |
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I much rather watch DTM than any of the S2000 series. Shure overtaking is important but it's not everything. |
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Yeah I know there are many things wrong with DTM, I'm just really hoping it can be turned in to something good and not die or become another S2000 series beacuse I think there are many things wrong with for example WTCC as well. |
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They need a format change. I liked it when they had a qualification race a few years back. Less pitstops are needed, and another manufacturer, or some privateers entering. It used to be my second favourite racing series to follow, however i've just skipped through the races using sky plus this year, which is a shame.
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I want the Ruch brothers with their Mustangs back!
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Well,there's something to change in current DTM. For example,stupid second pit-stop. But this breath is not last at all. Till there's Germany with it's huge automotive industry and great engineering school there'll be DTM,no matter if REAL RACING fans want it or not. DTM can be closed for some years but it'll reborn in any way. The greatest advantage of DTM is it's fairness. Everybody is playing the same rules. And the winner is the best pilot at the moment,with the best car at the moment. Not the lightest car on the grid. No wonder,if s2000 usually has tight races. During 20 minutes of race with technically different cars, equalized with huge weight differences it MUST have battles,even if pilots are not equalized. For me,an engineer,it's impossible to imagine,that a standart diesel bus is able to beat BMW 320. So,change the header for the topic. It's another championship which has it's final breath.
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For the other points brought up by helgi, Im as confused as you. DTM has 40kg max ballast, WTCC 70, is it that 30kg that makes a world of difference? And for further fairness... only 8 drivers have -08 cars, and drivers withold cars, even thoug given further weight compensations (incidentally reaching the 70kg of WTCC...) dont really have any fair chance to win the championship. More then 8 drivers have a shot at the crown in WTCC... And the comment of SEAT buses... eeehh... it's AUDI engeneers that pioneered the diesels as true raceing performance engines, and there is hardly much doubt in that it's the AUDI expertice that is behind the SEAT diesel racing engines. |
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