BTCC 2019 season discussion, News and Rumours! - Page 58

Craner Curves · 21 Nov 2018, 16:19 (Ref:3864789)

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Originally Posted by t4tinks

Looking at the 'Aidan Moffat Racing' facebook page, only a few days ago were pictures of what appears to be the merc stripped down. There is also an advert for a data engineer. So I think it looks like the Moffats are running the car themselves next year.

Stripped down in their own Livingston workshop too. They have the capability to run a car with the facilities they have.

crmalcolm · 21 Nov 2018, 16:35 (Ref:3864795)

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Originally Posted by Craner Curves

Stripped down in their own Livingston workshop too. They have the capability to run a car with the facilities they have.

Which would also explain their appeal for greater backing in 2019 - linked to A1 Automotive running the car next season?

porsche962fan · 21 Nov 2018, 17:28 (Ref:3864805)

lots of straws lately

Alfisti · 21 Nov 2018, 18:53 (Ref:3864821)

I'm expecting Oliphant back at Ciceley. And Morgan. So yes, that would be three cars. Remember Uncle Alan has the one BMR surrendered 😉

Edit: TBL that is!

Alfisti · 21 Nov 2018, 18:55 (Ref:3864823)

I believe yes on all counts for Aidan Moffat. A proper Scottish team on the grid, been a while since we last had one.

Handy for Knockhill too!

Steel Wheels · 21 Nov 2018, 19:02 (Ref:3864824)

Don’t forget too that there is likely to be a pair of Civic’s looking for a new home as BTC are upgrading to the FK8, question is who & with what TBL’s & Team?

sceptic · 21 Nov 2018, 19:06 (Ref:3864825)

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Originally Posted by RS67

What makes you think there is a Ford seat up for grabs? Motorbase may well have the same line up again.

Chilton will be at Motorbase, I'd be very surprised if Cole wasn't too.

Tordoff is another matter. But I think he may be another that owns his own TBL.

Alfisti · 21 Nov 2018, 19:09 (Ref:3864826)

Actually I'm now questioning myself over the ex BMR TBL - did that go to TOCA or did PMR buy it? Pretty sure it went to TOCA but now doubting myself.

Jiiiiiiim · 21 Nov 2018, 19:14 (Ref:3864828)

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Originally Posted by Alfisti

Actually I'm now questioning myself over the ex BMR TBL - did that go to TOCA or did PMR buy it? Pretty sure it went to TOCA but now doubting myself.

PMR purchased it and handed back one of the ‘loan’ ones to TOCA.

There was a rumour that Plato has one TBL as part of his deal with assisting the BMR project, but that is only a rumour. Tordoff has one for Team Gardex, Moffat one with Laser Tools Racing, which they could take to any team, from memory I don’t think any of the other drivers bar Matt Simpson.

Alfisti · 21 Nov 2018, 19:38 (Ref:3864831)

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Originally Posted by touring fan01

Jelley owns the car and engines and all their BTCC equipment
TPR entered BTCC just to run Jelley so of course Jelley will be back in that car

Not correct. TPR entered to run a Focus for a man who if I remember rightly was Alex Martin: Dextra being his company / sponsor. Motorbase were going to run the car but David Bartrum hibernated the BTCC team for half a season due to Airwaves leaving him high and dry.

So the Focus and equipment were acquired by TPR from Bartie. Subsequently Alex Martin gave up on BTCC and Jelley landed in the Focus which was after a poor season replaced with a BMW from WSR.

Here endeth a potted TPR BTCC history lesson.

Craner Curves · 21 Nov 2018, 19:42 (Ref:3864833)

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Originally Posted by Alfisti

I believe yes on all counts for Aidan Moffat. A proper Scottish team on the grid, been a while since we last had one.

Handy for Knockhill too!

Since InTune Racing back in 08? The Infiniti project doesn't count as that was based at Mallory.

porsche962fan · 21 Nov 2018, 19:43 (Ref:3864834)

where the heck comes this notion that a driver / person owns a TBL ??????

aren't TEAMS the only ones who can own a TBL ?

porsche962fan · 21 Nov 2018, 19:44 (Ref:3864835)

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Originally Posted by Craner Curves

Since InTune Racing back in 08? The Infiniti project doesn't count as that was based at Mallory.

ahh Doyle, whatever happened to him ?

Craner Curves · 21 Nov 2018, 19:46 (Ref:3864836)

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Originally Posted by porsche962fan

ahh Doyle, whatever happened to him ?

Money ran out after that season and got a real job.

RS67 · 21 Nov 2018, 19:51 (Ref:3864837)

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Originally Posted by Alfisti

Motorbase were going to run the car but David Bartrum hibernated the BTCC team for half a season due to Airwaves leaving him high and dry.

It had nothing to do with Airwaves. That sponsorship had ended the previous sponsor. David had two big sponsors lined up for that year but the deals fell through about 2 weeks prior to the first round.

Alfisti · 21 Nov 2018, 19:56 (Ref:3864838)

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Originally Posted by RS67

It had nothing to do with Airwaves. That sponsorship had ended the previous sponsor. David had two big sponsors lined up for that year but the deals fell through about 2 weeks prior to the first round.

Apologies to Mr Airwaves then. Sad situation that DB and the boys were left in. I was very happy when they returned 😀

touring fan01 · 21 Nov 2018, 20:55 (Ref:3864847)

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Originally Posted by Alfisti

Not correct. TPR entered to run a Focus for a man who if I remember rightly was Alex Martin: Dextra being his company / sponsor. Motorbase were going to run the car but David Bartrum hibernated the BTCC team for half a season due to Airwaves leaving him high and dry.

So the Focus and equipment were acquired by TPR from Bartie. Subsequently Alex Martin gave up on BTCC and Jelley landed in the Focus which was after a poor season replaced with a BMW from WSR.

Here endeth a potted TPR BTCC history lesson.

correct to a point. but Jelley owns the BMW and BMW equipment. The focus went back to motorbase.

touring fan01 · 21 Nov 2018, 20:57 (Ref:3864848)

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Originally Posted by Jiiiiiiim

Tordoff has one for Team Gardex, Moffat one with Laser Tools Racing.

tordoff doesn’t and has never owned a TBL

Jiiiiiiim · 21 Nov 2018, 21:00 (Ref:3864849)

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Originally Posted by touring fan01

tordoff doesn’t and has never owned a TBL

Hmmm interesting, not what I was told by a team boss earlier in the year. But I stand corrected if that’s not true!

touring fan01 · 21 Nov 2018, 21:25 (Ref:3864854)

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Originally Posted by Jiiiiiiim

Hmmm interesting, not what I was told by a team boss earlier in the year. But I stand corrected if that’s not true!

no driver (that doesnt have their own actual cars and race team operation) owns a TBL

Overboost · 21 Nov 2018, 21:48 (Ref:3864857)

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Originally Posted by touring fan01

no driver (that doesnt have their own actual cars and race team operation) owns a TBL

Technically not the race team operation, the cars yes & a race team name really. Until he split with Eurotech Matt Simpson hasn't had his own race team, with Speedworks, Dynamics & Eurotech running his 'race team'. Laser Tools have had Ciceley run/serviced their Merc & no full race team operation.

Jiiiiiiim · 21 Nov 2018, 22:09 (Ref:3864859)

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Originally Posted by touring fan01

no driver (that doesnt have their own actual cars and race team operation) owns a TBL

Ok to clarify, the answer I got to my question (to the well respected team owner) of ‘who’s got BMR’s 4th TBL?’, was ‘The Tordoff’s’ so maybe it belongs to Team Gardex, but that doesn’t overcome the need to have a car?!?!

touring fan01 · 21 Nov 2018, 22:15 (Ref:3864863)

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Originally Posted by Jiiiiiiim

Ok to clarify, the answer I got to my question (to the well respected team owner) of ‘who’s got BMR’s 4th TBL?’, was ‘The Tordoff’s’ so maybe it belongs to Team Gardex, but that doesn’t overcome the need to have a car?!?!

team gardex is just a name. its not an actual race team.
the tordoffs dont own a licence.

touring fan01 · 21 Nov 2018, 22:17 (Ref:3864864)

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Originally Posted by Overboost

Technically not the race team operation, the cars yes & a race team name really. Until he split with Eurotech Matt Simpson hasn't had his own race team, with Speedworks, Dynamics & Eurotech running his 'race team'. Laser Tools have had Ciceley run/serviced their Merc & no full race team operation.

tordoff doesnt own his race car. never has.
or his licence.

Overboost · 21 Nov 2018, 22:27 (Ref:3864867)

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Originally Posted by touring fan01

tordoff doesnt own his race car. never has.
or his licence.

I'm not arguing as to whether the Tordoff's own a TBL or not, just pointing out that Laser Tools isn't a full operating team (or should I say wasn't), neither was Simpson Racing until midway through this year, it was 'just a name. So theoretically if Team Gardex had a car they could own a licence.

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