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Old 1 Feb 2019, 13:12 (Ref:3881119)   #51
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Is reproducing, for example, a cylinder head with improved porting, development or cheating, Max? Or both?
Oh I haven't got answers, just questions. I'll ask them, the clever people here can put me straight.
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Oh I haven't got answers, just questions. I'll ask them, the clever people here can put me straight.
Well, clever people have answered, and hopefully they have done so....
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Old 1 Feb 2019, 15:36 (Ref:3881152)   #53
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Old 1 Feb 2019, 16:49 (Ref:3881164)   #54
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If now they check the socks length…
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Old 1 Feb 2019, 19:21 (Ref:3881205)   #55
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If now they check the socks length…
Out of topic Gerard but an interesting comparison. It actually is the result of the 90s overload of technology and development that transformed cycling, when carbon frames became a trend, that Lotus and many companies such as ZIPP well known for their wheels but also a common contractor to indy and CART teams for their knowledge of composite materials threw a heavy load of aerodynamic development into the "beam" bikes and so on. The UCI reacted by setting standards, rider included and helmet too. It was the Brits and Italian again !!!



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Old 1 Feb 2019, 20:24 (Ref:3881219)   #56
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Ha la vache, c'est top ce truc! Same inspiration for "le kil" in other words KL or Speed Ski. Slightly related to the thread they are discussions about the "dash board" used during Le Tour de France for instance. I had the opportunity to follow several stages of this famous race and I can tell you how much impressive the riders are. Respect for all those guys because they still have to push hard.
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Old 2 Feb 2019, 22:05 (Ref:3881466)   #57
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The simple premise should always be “as it was, so it should be”.
Indeed - going back to Ford 289's - original crank was cast iron but now steel from various aftermarket manufacturers appears to be the norm in AppK cars
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Reading the text in French can lead you to think its allowed. La fonte est un matériau ferreux tout comme l'acier
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Is reproducing, for example, a cylinder head with improved porting, development or cheating, Max? Or both?

I remember a case several years ago involving an Alfa 105.
Was at Spa, had an interesting dice with one whilst driving my then MGB(Fully compliant as checked by Jeremy Hall)
It took a while but after dicing with the car in question, I managed to get past and then left him behind. Alfa finished the race so was still healthy.
A few weeks later I was using a friend's TR 4,considerably more power than the B, at Dijon. The Alfa was there as well!
This time though there was no catching it!!
Was told by someone who knew, that the owner had spent 70,000 quid on a totally redisigned head. Radical improvement around.
Racing for FUN?? 🤣🤣
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Racing for FUN? No, cheating for what they think to be glory. I just hope the 105 was at least a GTA…
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Well Terence, you’d probably be more competitive with a TR now- believe that engine has a ‘new’ cylinder head nowadays ......
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Indeed - going back to Ford 289's - original crank was cast iron but now steel from various aftermarket manufacturers appears to be the norm in AppK cars
Allowed in Appendix K, article 5.8 of appendix VIII if anyone’s interested, which is pretty much lifted from the period Appendix J I believe.
So thus it can be done provided of course that it complies with 3.6.7.1 and is within 5% of the original weight.
Mind you the last time that was ever checked Noah was probably trying to work out what a cubit was........
As has been mentioned before, you only have to look at some of the flywheels and clutches being used today - both of which would be on the relevant homologation form - to figure out that it is unlikely that the crank is actually made to those parameter.

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Racing for FUN? No, cheating for what they think to be glory. I just hope the 105 was at least a GTA…
Nope, just a 105 Gerard.
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Indeed it has . . . . I saw one bought for a TR3 . . . . TBH it wasn't as good as it could have been. nice casting, finished like a 70's hot rod head!

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4 bolt 2 dowel is SSSOOOO Last century Simon. One can only assume excessive consumption caused double vision, or maybe treble.

Ford flywheels homologated @ 6.5 (varies slightly for cars delta/Morgan/Ginetta/Turner etc) TC @ 7kg, interestingly the early LC is homologated with a 7.25" clutch the same as the GT . . . . which wasn't reliable, whilst we all know the 8" clutch was standard on all TC's and the flywheel heavier as a consequence. . . LC photo's have a gearbox stuck on the back of the engine so you cant see.

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Allowed in Appendix K, article 5.8 of appendix VIII if anyone’s interested, which is pretty much lifted from the period Appendix J I believe.
So thus it can be done provided of course that it complies with 3.6.7.1 and is within 5% of the original weight.
Mind you the last time that was ever checked Noah was probably trying to work out what a cubit was........
As has been mentioned before, you only have to look at some of the flywheels and clutches being used today - both of which would be on the relevant homologation form - to figure out that it is unlikely that the crank is actually made to those parameter.
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From 750MC, we adopted the MX5 NA regulation. It works fine so far, people have fun, relaxed ambiance, few if no suspicion, reliable cars. The organiser reserves the right to exchange the ECU at any time of the meeting. The rolling road is a good idea and I'm sure Andy can comment that… But this concerns modern cars, injection, electronic ignition… In no way related to a Cooper you want to race at Monaco. In this case its hard to believe that the price of a carb or copy of a carb will stop the process. Driving such cars at such places involves "some " money, dont you think so? So, one carb or two and may be three, WTF?
Rolling Road tests can be made irrelevant with different maps and clever ways of hiding their employment.
Gerard is referring to a certain clever tuner managing to defeat PCGB class power to weight rules on 944 Turbos by having different maps activated by a rotary switch on the front wheels. Allegedly. They were compliant on the RR.
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a different set of tyres will make a difference on a rolling road. far too many variables.

Having said that, if you're diligent with the way yo u use it, I still think its a far better tool than a dyno in a laboratory where you can effectively manipulate conditions to give the numbers that sell the engine . . . . . which will be different again once its in the car!
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