WTCR 2022

[Alessio]

Very good point. It wouldn't be the first time it's happened in the WTCC, probably not the last.

[S griffin]

WTCC has always had problems at certain circuits, but the remaining circuits on the calendar should not be so hard on the tyres

[GusGasfuss]

In the end, Nordschleife is rather useless for these kind of cars and especially for this size of grids.

17 cars on 22km look strange and can be boring like hell.

[mathematica]

Honda remains on 40KG. Lynk and Audi gain 10KG.

How does Hyundai remain on 0KG? Hyundai Poll to Win for first aka main race. Makes no sence to me.

[tux]

Lynk & Co pull their cars from race 1 after the formation lap due to issues around tyre wear at Vallelunga.

19 minutes to go in race 1, 3 cars have had punctures already....

15 minutes... thats 4...

[Evantra]

From TCT I gather 6 cars finished without issue? And the chequered flag wasn't shown?

Or 5 even, as one of those had pitted for a puncture and caught up?

[Rubio]

That was another farce that the championship absolutely did not need.
Most likely a mix of heat, dirty track and fast layout with long sweeping corners, however Goodyear durability this year is very worrying.

Though, Cyan's behaviour is not very good anyway.
Everytime they run into big problems, they moan about BoP and blame organisers to get some changes.
Same happened after Slovakia 2019 and Estoril 2021

[Racing Harz]

Please close this ridiculous series....

[tux]

We all want this Racing Harz but they dont listen.

[Robshillito1990]

I think its good they've kept the racing going today and not bowed down to lynk & Co again. If they wanna throw the championship away then let them carry on and be cry babies and stay in the pitlane.

[Evantra]

7 unaffected finishers in R2?

But it's ok, because next time in this world series we go to a narrow, twisty club circuit nobody has ever heard of!

[Evantra]

Romeo Ferraris also withdrew from ETCR after a puncture incident.

[S griffin]

After what happened at the Nurburgring, the last thing we needed was something like this, when two top teams withdrew. The series has the ingredients to make a good championship, but it's being let down too often due to bad decisions

[Robshillito1990]

Originally Posted by Evantra

7 unaffected finishers in R2?

But it's ok, because next time in this world series we go to a narrow, twisty club circuit nobody has ever heard of!

You say that like it's a grid of 30 cars. When there's only 12 cars in the race in the first place then you have more unaffected than affected

[GusGasfuss]

Originally Posted by Racing Harz

Please close this ridiculous series....

Whats the problem?
In the moment, there is a problem with tyres, which i can't decide, who is really to blame for.


Maybe it is due to outside heat, aggresive setups, hard curves, too perfect chassis etc?
Maybe it is weight, maybe it is driver.


And of course there are too less cars and a real bad coverage by Eurosport (and they pay for the series!!!).


If we loose WTCR, i don't belive there will be any more touring cars on the tracks (only some guys who use old TCR stuff until worn off).
WTCR is showcase for TCR machinery, so it should have the best drivers and teams around. But of course world championship is very expensive now, and a lot of manufacturers start so concentrate on electric engines. So WTCR will be more hard to get up than ever.


I have never seen any ETCR race until now, so can't decide, if this might be interesting or if this is real alternative for future. In general it looks a bit odd, starting with names (Pool Fast & Pool Furious)...


@Evantra: club circuit doesn't mean, that racing will be bad. I don't see, that it needs a lot for good racing, just a nice layout. Maybe we all will be happy after this race. Maybe it is my chance to see WTCR without much traveling :-)


@Rubio: Of course Lynk&Co. make a lot of noise, because they don't want to change anything, which they make look slow. And of course 80kg more is a lot. Did we had this not before with Hyundai last year?

[tux]

Bruno Spengler suffered a Spinal fracture in his accident.

[Racing Harz]

Lynk&Co suspends the WTCR Programm with immediate effect.
https://www.touringcartimes.com/2022...tcr-programme/

[S griffin]

Well that's another big blow for the series. Can it survive beyond this year?

[Alessio]

Originally Posted by S griffin

Well that's another big blow for the series. Can it survive beyond this year?

I'm struggling to see how it can see it out the year. FIA World events require a minimum of 12 cars to make a race happen.

[Evantra]

Wow, that's it then... I guess WTCR merges with ETCR next year? Not that we'd get 12 car races with that either, and with the same management as WTCR it'd end up the same way.

Wonder if TCR International could return then, presumably that was a slightly more affordable affair than the WTCR.

[Alessio]

I'd be happy to see TCR International return, though I personally think promoting TCR regional (Europe/Asia/SA etc) as the 'top tier' championships and running a one-off 'World Cup' a la Super Touring could be the best solution.

Also, I must have missed the news but WTCR was due to end this weekend - all Asian rounds incl. Macau were cancelled at the end of June apparently? Would also be another good reason for L&C to jump ship given they weren't really in with a shout to take any of the titles this year with 1 round remaining.

[GusGasfuss]

Yes, it sounds little bit like "if we can't win, we don't like to fill the grid only".



Especially as i can't believe, that racing on Anneau du Rhin will be high-speed and high-tyre-demand.
Maybe even BoP would be changed, due to not running L&C on last track?


@Alessio: i thought, there might be a event in Istanbul later in the year, which needs to be confirmed.

[antnee]

Originally Posted by Alessio

I'd be happy to see TCR International return, though I personally think promoting TCR regional (Europe/Asia/SA etc) as the 'top tier' championships and running a one-off 'World Cup' a la Super Touring could be the best solution.

Also, I must have missed the news but WTCR was due to end this weekend - all Asian rounds incl. Macau were cancelled at the end of June apparently? Would also be another good reason for L&C to jump ship given they weren't really in with a shout to take any of the titles this year with 1 round remaining.

I really like this idea - same in many sports, have regionals as 'heats' then come together for a world 'final'. You could have the final in a different region each year and have races at 2-3 different venues over 2-3 consecutive weekends, try and get a festival type vibe going on. Could even have a few wildcard entries to the finals too.

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by Alessio

I'd be happy to see TCR International return, though I personally think promoting TCR regional (Europe/Asia/SA etc) as the 'top tier' championships and running a one-off 'World Cup' a la Super Touring could be the best solution.

Agreed, though TCR Europe seems to be dropping in entries too which is a bit concerning - perhaps the demise of WTCR would see a few quality entries joining.

[GusGasfuss]

You always have to see, that drivers from WTCR are paid professionals. I don't see any good chance, to let them race against private teams with drivers, who always search for budget to race...


I see WTCR as showcase of manufacturers. For showing abilities of their cars to future buyers in local and amateur series.