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Old 17 Apr 2013, 09:28 (Ref:3235717)   #1326
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It's probably a V6, it's the best compromise and very compact, shorter than I4 and you can put the turbo(s) in the V angle.
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Old 17 Apr 2013, 09:36 (Ref:3235721)   #1327
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any news on the hybrid system used, will it go toyota or audi style of storage, and will it be 2 or 4 whell drive
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Old 17 Apr 2013, 09:40 (Ref:3235723)   #1328
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There have been reports that the Volkswagen board decided the following strategy: Audi with diesel and flywheel hybrid versus Porsche with petrol and battery hybrid.
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Old 17 Apr 2013, 11:32 (Ref:3235751)   #1329
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There have been reports that the Volkswagen board decided the following strategy: Audi with diesel and flywheel hybrid versus Porsche with petrol and battery hybrid.
battery or super cap.. Super caps are much better
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Old 17 Apr 2013, 11:53 (Ref:3235760)   #1330
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It all depends on the size of the hybrid system. We don't know if Porsche will go for the 2 MJ or the 8 MJ hybrid option, or for one of the other options (i.e., 4 MJ, 6 MJ). If they pick the 2 MJ hybrid option, they might not need the power density of supercapacitors; in that case a much lighter lithium ion battery might be a better choice.
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And from the category "pointless press release of the week", Porsche announce its first two drivers in the 2014 LMP1, and of course they are Timo and Romain.

http://www.endurance-info.com/versio...cus-17462.html
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It's probably a V6, it's the best compromise and very compact, shorter than I4 and you can put the turbo(s) in the V angle.
I also wonder if it is easier to make a V6 as a stressed member than an I4. And would an I4 likely require five main bearing journals instead of just four on a V6 (more friction?) I just finished Mezger's biography and it was interesting that he commented upon the decision regarding the V6 TAG F1 engine that he was not a fan of using an I4 engine.

I don't know what consists of state of the art in racing engine design is these days, but will the same issues that drove Mezger to his V6 design drive Porsche's current design team to also use a V6.

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I'm not sure the value of the drivers can be over-estimated in the case of Porsche. How many 24 hour races have Bernhard and Dumas completed between them?

Yes, many of Toyota's drivers have spent time with Peugeot before, but still, most of them are relatively inexperienced endurance racers compared to Audi and Toyota. This is invaluable in a sport where experience is a massive part of the game. It's the difference between drivers who can say what they need and the drivers who can say what needs to be done.

Their experience as GT drivers should also reduce the risk of crashing and losing time in traffic, because being there and doing that themselves means they can read the backmarkers better.

I expect to see a Porsche LMP1 car finish Le Mans in 2014.
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Old 17 Apr 2013, 16:08 (Ref:3235851)   #1334
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There have been reports that the Volkswagen board decided the following strategy: Audi with diesel and flywheel hybrid versus Porsche with petrol and battery hybrid.
I guess, this is especially a marketing strategy. Or in other words: neither tech was selected because it's the best option.
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It's probably a V6, it's the best compromise and very compact, shorter than I4 and you can put the turbo(s) in the V angle.
Other benefits are a lower gravity center too and 2 smaller turbos usually give better response than a big one.
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I'm not sure the value of the drivers can be over-estimated in the case of Porsche. How many 24 hour races have Bernhard and Dumas completed between them?

Yes, many of Toyota's drivers have spent time with Peugeot before, but still, most of them are relatively inexperienced endurance racers compared to Audi and Toyota. This is invaluable in a sport where experience is a massive part of the game. It's the difference between drivers who can say what they need and the drivers who can say what needs to be done.

Their experience as GT drivers should also reduce the risk of crashing and losing time in traffic, because being there and doing that themselves means they can read the backmarkers better.

I expect to see a Porsche LMP1 car finish Le Mans in 2014.

Romain Dumas y Timo Bernhard won many overall races in ALMS with Porsche RS spyder. I think they have an overall victory at the 12 Hours of Sebring. I remember many great battles between them and the Audi R10, the last hour of Petit Le Mans 2007 was one of them.
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Old 17 Apr 2013, 18:01 (Ref:3235889)   #1337
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Romain Dumas y Timo Bernhard won many overall races in ALMS with Porsche RS spyder. I think they have an overall victory at the 12 Hours of Sebring. I remember many great battles between them and the Audi R10, the last hour of Petit Le Mans 2007 was one of them.
Sebring 2008. The last hour of Petit 2007 was something special, truly awesome racing. Thankful to have been at both. Watching Romain in the HPD at Sebring on the brakes this year he has lost none of his pace. These guys are the real deal in my books.
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Old 17 Apr 2013, 18:40 (Ref:3235900)   #1338
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You have to laugh at the timing of the Romain/Timo announcement. No way that gets released without all the Webber stories floating around.
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Ehm... you seem to forget they have won Le Mans overall in 2010 with Audi R15! The car was not the fastest one, but they did a great race, and were there when Pugs failed. They did a great race very consistent and fast. Then, we have to consider how much fast, reliable and winning they were in ALMS with glorious RS Spyder!
I'm sure they'll be a real couple of aces for next LMP1 team.
Nice to see them at the wheels of an overall winning Porsche.
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Old 17 Apr 2013, 22:14 (Ref:3235970)   #1341
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To be fair Porsche had to pick a couple of factory pilots to step up or that programme would be left open to question. A lot of strong drivers there but not LMP stand-outs.

Like I said before I think we'll see 3/10 maximum making the step. The likes of Bergmeister and Lieb simply aren't getting these seats.
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Lieb and Bergmeister already ruled themselves out (or they were told privately and Porsche allowed them to say publically their own way to save face maybe?).
But why wouldn't Lieb, Bergmeister, Lietz etc get a chance in the LMP1s?
They've been fantastic servants for Porsche over many years.
I'd give them a chance, certainly in 2014, a 'learning' year no doubt.
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Lieb and Bergmeister already ruled themselves out (or they were told privately and Porsche allowed them to say publically their own way to save face maybe?).
But why wouldn't Lieb, Bergmeister, Lietz etc get a chance in the LMP1s?
They've been fantastic servants for Porsche over many years.
I'd give them a chance, certainly in 2014, a 'learning' year no doubt.
Bergmeister is the one of the best Porsche has in a GT car, but I'm pretty sure he's a little tall for a Prototype. This way, at least the GT Porsche teams won't get left without any of the best drivers.
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Bergmeister is the one of the best Porsche has in a GT car, but I'm pretty sure he's a little tall for a Prototype. This way, at least the GT Porsche teams won't get left without any of the best drivers.
And Lieb might still be involved with the LMP1 on the engineering side.
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I also thought that (initially), but lately I think he (Lieb) will be more involved with the RSR program. They two programs are split both functionally and organizationally and so I now suspect that the 4 main drivers currently developing the RSR may land up staying there. Note that Dumas and Bernhard only provide a "supporting" role to the RSR program precisely because they are so heavily involved with the development work on the LMP1 project.


Of course my opinion could change again.
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All the Porsche drivers have been at the Porsche Accademy, have been trained on all kind of cars used by Porsche in the various classes (GT and LMP). So, I'm sure Lieb, Lietz, Pilet & Co. are not fasting of LMP driving experience. I think they may be involved in the developement of the car, to be joined by 1 or 2 specialists Porsche will bring to its works team.
It all depends by the number of cars Porsche will run (2 or 3 in Le Mans, 2 in WEC). For sure, the most (if not ALL) the drivers would give an eye (or the right hand), to be at the wheel of a Porsche in Le Mans, as well in the WEC.
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I think I read somewhere that there will be 2 cars.
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And Lieb might still be involved with the LMP1 on the engineering side.
Yeah Lieb is coming across as the next Norbert Singer, he will in all probability be involved with whatever Porsche races in the future, still unsure whether he will actually race the car though.
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All the Porsche drivers have been at the Porsche Accademy, have been trained on all kind of cars used by Porsche in the various classes (GT and LMP).
Okay they have some knowledge but to me you simply can't compare this to guys who have had race time in LMPs. Not unless the Porsche Academy are putting on fake multi-class races with 30+ cars on the track. It's not like they train them in a current spec hybrid P1 either.

Romain Dumas/Timo Bernhard/Neel Jani

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Okay they have some knowledge but to me you simply can't compare this to guys who have had race time in LMPs. Not unless the Porsche Academy are putting on fake multi-class races with 30+ cars on the track. It's not like they train them in a current spec hybrid P1 either.

Romain Dumas/Timo Bernhard/Neel Jani

Mark Webber/Nick Heidfeld/Jean-Karl Vernay
Of course, but I think Fassler was not very well experienced in LMP1 before to be a glorious member of Audi Jost...
It all depends from what they think to do in 2014: race to make experience or race to win? Knowing Porsche, I think they are more focused on the second hypotesis...
Then, I would not make on the same car three endurance unexperienced drivers like Heidfeld, Webber and Vernay. They may be fast, but I'm not sure they may compete at the same level of endurance experienced drivers.

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Heidfeld is a Porsche buyer, at the same way of Webber... If I'm not wrong, he's the owner of a 996 GT2. Is just a casuality?
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