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Old 6 Jun 2017, 06:55 (Ref:3738947)   #151
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Good luck to Glickenhaus on making 25 cars to race in GTE. Then again, he won't win any races against the likes of Ford, Porsche, Ferrari, etc.
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Old 6 Jun 2017, 07:44 (Ref:3738961)   #152
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Good luck to Glickenhaus on making 25 cars to race in GTE. Then again, he won't win any races against the likes of Ford, Porsche, Ferrari, etc.
Could run in Am though.

Could the P4/5 not run in Garage 56? It's a hybrid, which would fit the Garage 56 idea.
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Old 6 Jun 2017, 11:32 (Ref:3738990)   #153
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Good luck to Glickenhaus on making 25 cars to race in GTE. Then again, he won't win any races against the likes of Ford, Porsche, Ferrari, etc.
You talk as if the N24 and the VLN were easy, running against 30 or 40 cars with factory support like Mercedes, BMW, Audi and Porsche.
I do not think it's so different from what it is now really.
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Old 10 Jun 2017, 17:20 (Ref:3740008)   #154
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Let the games begin

http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/c...mans-test-bop/

Corvette (again, like last year) pegged back, this time with with a 0.2mm restrictor reduction
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Old 10 Jun 2017, 17:56 (Ref:3740015)   #155
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Let the games begin

http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/c...mans-test-bop/

Corvette (again, like last year) pegged back, this time with with a 0.2mm restrictor reduction
lol.

Considering we should expect pole time in the 3:52, the whole grid in GTE Pro didn't try very hard to show their pace.
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Old 10 Jun 2017, 18:18 (Ref:3740021)   #156
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Let the games begin

http://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/c...mans-test-bop/

Corvette (again, like last year) pegged back, this time with with a 0.2mm restrictor reduction
Endurance-info published the complete table, although the pressures of the turbos are missing. http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/du-...avant-le-mans/

 Masse minBride minEssence max
GTE Pro   
PORSCHE 911 RSR GTE1258 kg30,1 mm99 l.
FERRARI 488 GTE1268 kgTurbo88 l.
FORD GT1268 kgTurbo95 l.
ASTON MARTIN VANTAGE1193 kg29,8 mm100 l.
CORVETTE C7.R1243 kg29,5 mm94 l.
GTE Am   
PORSCHE 911 RSR (991)1208 kg29,6 mm95 l.
CORVETTE C7-Z061228 kg29,4 mm94 l.
FERRARI 488 GTE1278 kgTurbo86 l.
ASTON MARTIN VANTAGE1203 kg29,3 mm98 l.

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Old 10 Jun 2017, 18:32 (Ref:3740022)   #157
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That's what you get for not taking part in the rest of the championship (no reference for the ACO) and by being fastest in the speed trap on test day.
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Old 10 Jun 2017, 21:14 (Ref:3740065)   #158
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That's what you get for not taking part in the rest of the championship (no reference for the ACO) and by being fastest in the speed trap on test day.
It is the same car as last year, so they should have quite a bit of data. In fact that can be said about all the cars except the Porsche
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Could the P4/5 not run in Garage 56? It's a hybrid, which would fit the Garage 56 idea.

Also, does a hybrid cut it for G56 now that the top class is hybrid?

Don't get me wrong, I think it would be cool to see it run.
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Old 12 Jun 2017, 02:56 (Ref:3740388)   #160
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Larbre Still Working on GTE-Pro Corvette Entry for the WEC 2018
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Old 12 Jun 2017, 07:02 (Ref:3740417)   #161
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50 years from now on and Larbre will be still be looking at fielding a GTE-Pro entry in the WEC...

I believe many would like to finally see more cars in GTE Pro, but will this ever materialize is the question.
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Old 16 Jun 2017, 16:27 (Ref:3742248)   #162
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New changes in the BOP, 8 kg less for the Porsche

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50 years from now on and Larbre will be still be looking at fielding a GTE-Pro entry in the WEC...

I believe many would like to finally see more cars in GTE Pro, but will this ever materialize is the question.
Jack Leconte is a man not easily dissuaded from something

I admire his drive and persistence. Hopefully it pays off next year. They nearly came close this year with the Taylor brothers until something happened last minute-$$ Im guessing.

This years art car is a good step to keep the team in the spotlight, that cars gotten more press then the rest of the field and for good reason. Nice to see Doug Fehan at Larbres media presentation earlier this week.
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Old 17 Jun 2017, 15:50 (Ref:3742826)   #164
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Old 18 Jun 2017, 05:07 (Ref:3744191)   #165
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James Glickenhaus dreams to race his SCG 003 in GTE Pro at Le Mans.
I think that the ACO demands 25 units to homologate a model of a small manufacturer. I would love to see this car in Le Mans and in IMSA GTLM.

http://sportscar-info.de/2017/05/31/...engagement-an/
Could he not get a waiver on the production numbers like Ford and Porsche?
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Old 18 Jun 2017, 05:30 (Ref:3744210)   #166
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Could he not get a waiver on the production numbers like Ford and Porsche?
According to the rules Porsche can re-positioned the engine because the 911 is produced in more or 2500 examples for year. Therefore they do not need to make any road car with mid engine.

http://tentenths.com/forum/attachmen...3&d=1479378316

with the Ford GT the problem is the car start to race before the street car is available, but the car is legal now.
That is the same case as Glickenhaus, but surely James does not have the power of Ford to pressure the ACO.
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Old 18 Jun 2017, 05:41 (Ref:3744218)   #167
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I'm sure all manufacturers would put pressure on the ACO not to allow the SCG in...
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Old 18 Jun 2017, 19:03 (Ref:3744929)   #168
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According to the rules Porsche can re-positioned the engine because the 911 is produced in more or 2500 examples for year. Therefore they do not need to make any road car with mid engine.

http://tentenths.com/forum/attachmen...3&d=1479378316

with the Ford GT the problem is the car start to race before the street car is available, but the car is legal now.
That is the same case as Glickenhaus, but surely James does not have the power of Ford to pressure the ACO.
So the way I understand that rule, a team like Corvette or BMW could build a mid engine car or at least move the engine radically back.
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I'm not entirely sure that graphic and the 2500 examples thing is correct.

Location : As original.
Position : Free.
Orientation : Free, but the engine must remain
longitudinal (or transverse) if originally
longitudinal (or transverse).
Local modifications are permitted for :
– the replacement and/or the moving of the engine supports
– the addition of mountings for new engine supports

Location I believe is defined as the centre lines of the car. So as long as it's still behind that, it can be freely positioned. BMW and Corvette would have to move the engine behind the centre line, so that wouldn't be allowed.

I used to have a good link explaining this but can't find it now.

Edit: Page 9 - https://www.fia.com/file/51741/downl...token=Y5vP01g2
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Old 18 Jun 2017, 19:24 (Ref:3744943)   #170
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So interestingly Aston Martin won the BoP lottery this year. Their car had the best pace on average. So it's pretty much a dice roll for the win now.
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So interestingly Aston Martin won the BoP lottery this year. Their car had the best pace on average. So it's pretty much a dice roll for the win now.
Indeed, and that's why I virtually have no interest in GTE any longer.
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If you get the BoP right, which it appears they broadly did this year, then what's the point in having a fancy new GT car like Ford? The only advantage is if you can fool the BoPpers and then unleash. If their not fooled save your money. Well done Aston.
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If you get the BoP right, which it appears they broadly did this year, then what's the point in having a fancy new GT car like Ford? The only advantage is if you can fool the BoPpers and then unleash. If their not fooled save your money. Well done Aston.
The advantages of a new car are limited, but you can introduce better reliability, easier servicing, ability to follow cars better etc. Your overall lap performance is still going to be dictated by the BoP, but you can gain advantages elsewhere.

But you're pretty spot on with BoP racing. The whole point in GT3 is you could pick up an old car and go and race it because it's balanced. It hasn't really worked out like that, as the cars have gotten faster and faster and more expensive. The BoP isn't bringing the new cars down to the old cars speed. The original idea was that one driver was going to have them balanced too (Heinz Harold Frentzen!), but that was dropped and isn't really possible on a scale of this size.

Whether we like it or not, GTE is now a BoP class. And given that all the cars were within 1 lap of the GTE leader (Porsche and Ferrari only got overtaken by the 919 on the last lap, but they were within 1 lap of the Aston), the BoP was spot on. Nobody had a bad BoP. They all were within touching distance.
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If we're having BoP then I hope it is a sign of things to come and the BoPpers are getting better at their job.
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The BoP from now on is automated. Le Mans was the last race of a manually adjusted BoP. From now on an algorithm will pump out the numbers to make each track equal. We'll see if that works.
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