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Old 3 Oct 2019, 11:07 (Ref:3931667)   #16
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No matter where you are on the grid and what place you're fighting for, as a driver in round 1, round 11, round 15 or whatever you fight as hard as you can, to the best of your ability to look after your own race and your own results. Why should it be any different in round 30?
I agree with the theory, in principle. But how do you tie that in with a direction from Alan Gow for people to 'not get involved with the championship battle'. To me, that is something that will be impossible to achieve.

Looking at R3, and take a single driver in isolation:
At the end of L9, Shedden was immediately behind Jordan. Jordan was not involved with either JP or GS's teams, so should he:
a) - interfere with the title by defending hard against Shedden?
b) - interfere with the title by allowing Shedden past with little effort?

Either way - some fans will feel he has done the wrong thing, and both actions can be interpreted as going against the guidance from Mr Gow.

In much the same way, we have to wonder how the audience would react to a driver being taken out (accidental or otherwise).
When Jordan had his accident at Donington, did the other driver(s) involved face accusations of destroying someone's title chances? Would the opinion be the same if something similar where to happen in R28?

It is a fact of sport that, as a title draws closer to a conclusion, the associated emotions will be escalated amongst most people involved. This leads to actions facing greater scrutiny, and a higher level of effect being attributed to lesser acts.

This is what I think Mr Gow is referring to when he gives his guidance - that drivers should be wary of acting in an emotional manner and leading to unwanted consequences. If this is held to be true though, then the majority of drivers who (as is deemed) gave Shedden an easy pass did not do so in a rash moment of insanity, or out of an emotional burst, but as a considered and calculated act.

Therefore, the result has to be looked at not as a travesty of sporting contest, but in the context of sportsmanship on and off the track influencing the outcome.
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Old 3 Oct 2019, 13:25 (Ref:3931688)   #17
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That 2015 Brands Final was not the worst thing to happen to the series. No way. It just shows as someone said above you reap what you sow. Remember how Red Bull struggled to get another engine supplier after moaning about Renault all the time?

The way everyone didn't make it hard for Flash should be a lesson to all drivers to play fair and you will get the same in return.
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Old 3 Oct 2019, 14:39 (Ref:3931705)   #18
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I think some let their anti-Plato sentiment rule their opinion over this...

I admit Shedden was never my favourite driver in the series, but he was just as likely to put someone off as Plato, if not more so (as Turkington seemed to find out on numerous occasions that year, if I recall correctly).
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Old 3 Oct 2019, 14:50 (Ref:3931709)   #19
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No, don’t remember Shedden putting off many people in 2015
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Old 3 Oct 2019, 16:48 (Ref:3931724)   #20
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That suggests you haven't seen much motorsport. To me watching Plato deliberately punt drivers off is worse. I saw every getting of of Sheddens way very much a case of "you reap what you sow" for Plato.



That approach rules out any form of team orders / tactics - where do you stand on teams asking drivers to swap positions? Is that the second worst thing you've ever seen in motorsport?



According to your own view on this it's clearcut - why should Turkington have let Plato past? To do so would have been one of the worst things you've ever seen in motorsport
Total nonsense as well you know!

Team mates/team orders/team tactics are completely different. Of course team mates will let each other through in certain circumstances, but at the same time they’re fully entitled to fight each other in the right circumstances as well.
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Old 3 Oct 2019, 16:52 (Ref:3931725)   #21
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reminds me of some weirdos Plato fanboys on the official forum calling for al drivers who let Shedden pass be called in front of some sports tribunal for fixing the championship
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Old 3 Oct 2019, 17:07 (Ref:3931726)   #22
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I think some let their anti-Plato sentiment rule their opinion over this...

I admit Shedden was never my favourite driver in the series, but he was just as likely to put someone off as Plato, if not more so (as Turkington seemed to find out on numerous occasions that year, if I recall correctly).
That is absolutely untrue. At the final race at Brands Hatch, Jason drove into the back of Shedden 3 times in a single race. Under the 3 strike rule, Jason should've started at the back of the grid in Race 2. He was not penalised - because that would've ruined the championship battle.

We're talking about what's fair, whilst rules were ignored and drivers were told not to get in the way of the title battle. Let's be realistic here.

I understand the sentiment of not liking letting drivers though. However, in the wider picture, it absolutely fits with the BTCC narrative, and it absolutely fits with how rules were completely ignored to allow the title battle to continue.
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I seemed to have clicked on the wrong thread. I thought this was going to be about the 2019 season finale, but I seem to be stuck in pages of pointless bickering about something that happened 4 years.

Can someone let me know if/when this thread ever gets back on topic.
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I seemed to have clicked on the wrong thread. I thought this was going to be about the 2019 season finale, but I seem to be stuck in pages of pointless bickering about something that happened 4 years.

Can someone let me know if/when this thread ever gets back on topic.
It'll come full circle when everyone lets Cammish through and he wins the title.
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