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9 Sep 2024, 12:12 (Ref:4225899) | #3501 | |
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In the piece that went out on the series website over the summer it sounds like Unlimited have a second Cupra all ready to go for next season, could that be the unaccounted for 076?
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9 Sep 2024, 14:42 (Ref:4225914) | #3504 | |
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It was Excelr8 that had the missing car for parts before returning the shell to the finance company. According to Bob Sharpless all 6 cars are 'accounted for'. Un-Limited do have a second car for next year, I get the feeling with the way the team is being run that they will only run it if a driver has the budget in place, rather than the old HARD way.
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9 Sep 2024, 14:50 (Ref:4225915) | #3505 | ||
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Yeah the article all sounded very sensible, I expect they might have a fight to keep DeLeon but if they can keep Duckhams as a title sponsor that would be a bonus. |
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13 Sep 2024, 11:02 (Ref:4226342) | #3506 | |
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https://btcc.net/dan-zelos-earns-second-btcc-shot-at-silverstone/
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13 Sep 2024, 11:19 (Ref:4226347) | #3507 | |
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That's excellent news.
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13 Sep 2024, 19:04 (Ref:4226396) | #3508 | |
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Fantastic news, really happy for Dan. Hope he could secure a full-time seat for next season although I guess it'll be another difficult task to find budget for Brands Hatch, let alone full season next year.
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17 Sep 2024, 16:23 (Ref:4227293) | #3509 | |
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Great for Dan to get another run, hopefully he'll get 3 good results and find the monies for Brands.
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30 Sep 2024, 15:56 (Ref:4229071) | #3510 | |
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Does anyone know of anywhere I can see the running total for the BTCC championship after individual rounds in past seasons?
Specifically, I need to know how much ballast every car had after qualifying in each race in 2012-2021. Any ideas? |
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It might be a bit of work to link two sources together. Part 1 - TSL timing. The championship standing (on which Q ballast was calculated) is given in pdf form after each event. e.g. - The standing after the first meeting in 2012 can be found here - https://www.tsl-timing.com/file/?f=T...1303ptstrg.pdf Part 2 - Wayback Machine. I can only see back as far as 2015, but you might be able to get the earlier seasons (unless anyone can confirm the amounts stayed the same for 2012-2015). From this site, the ballast is confirmed as: 2015 - 1st:75kg, 2nd:66kg 3rd:57kg, 4th:48kg, 5th:39kg, 6th:33kg, 7th:27kg, 8th:21kg, 9th:15kg, 10th:9kg You should be able to trawl through the scrapes to see when the amounts changed. https://web.archive.org/web/20150915...d-regulations/ |
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n.b. - the weights changed for the 2019 season:
1st: 54kg, 2nd: 48kg 3rd: 42kg, 4th: 36kg, 5th: 30kg, 6th: 24kg, 7th: 18kg, 8th: 12kg, 9th: 6kg, 10th: 6kg again in 2020: 1st: 60kg 2nd: 54kg 3rd: 48kg 4th: 42kg 5th: 36kg 6th: 30kg 7th: 24kg 8th: 18kg 9th: 12kg 10th: 6kg For 2021: 1st: 75kgs 2nd: 66kgs 3rd: 57kgs 4th: 48kgs 5th: 39kgs 6th: 33kgs 7th: 27kgs 8th: 21kgs 9th: 15kgs 10th: 9kgs |
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30 Sep 2024, 16:58 (Ref:4229085) | #3513 | |
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TSL timing is exactly what I needed, thank you very much.
I thought of a formula I could use to estimate how much difference the success ballast made to the lap-times, but I was struggling to find out how much ballast each car had in each qualifying session in order to test it, because I didn't know who was leading the championship going into each round but TSL timing has that information. |
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1 Oct 2024, 17:17 (Ref:4229197) | #3515 | |
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The result I got was about 0.009048% per 1kg of ballast.
This translates to 0.679% for 75kg. This is about 0.34s at Knockhill or Brands Hatch Indy and 0.78s at Snetterton. I don't know if this was worth four hours of work considering it probably isn't even the same for each track, but I now have an estimated grid for every 2021 race if there was no ballast. Pole positions are: Thruxton - Ash Sutton (Infiniti) Snetterton - Colin Turkington (BMW) Brands Hatch Indy - Jake Hill (Ford) Oulton Park - Ash Sutton (Infiniti) Knockhill - Ash Sutton (Infiniti) Thruxton - Dan Rowbottom (Honda) Croft - Jake Hill (Ford) Silverstone - Colin Turkington (BMW) Donington Park - Ash Sutton (Infiniti) Brands Hatch - Ash Sutton (Infiniti) Last edited by BTCC frog; 1 Oct 2024 at 17:23. |
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1 Oct 2024, 17:28 (Ref:4229199) | #3516 | |
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The Goodyear Wingfoot Award would give these results:
1 Ash Sutton 168 2 Colin Turkington 151 3 Jake Hill 137 4 Josh Cook 114 5 Tom Ingram 108 6 Dan Rowbottom 88 7 Gordon Shedden 83 8 Rory Butcher 76 9 Senna Proctor 65 10 Tom Oliphant 58 11 Aiden Moffat 42 12 Adam Morgan 40 13 Stephen Jelley 37 14 Dan Lloyd 36 15 Jason Plato 28 16 Chris Smiley 25 17 Ollie Jackson 23 18 Jack Goff 12 19 Tom Chilton 7 20 Sam Osborne 5 21 Dan Cammish 4 22 Carl Boardley 3 |
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1 Oct 2024, 21:35 (Ref:4229217) | #3518 | ||
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I've been following the GT3 DTM for three years now (never before really followed GT3 or TCR racing) and the BOP there and discussions it raises is just idiotic. Let alone the fact that at times it gives impression that results are 90% down to who gets the best BOP/weight rather than who really is the strongest and who really does their job best. I really don't think we need something like that in the BTCC. |
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Take the situation of a 15-lap race, where you have 1 lap of hybrid more than the car in front. That means that for one lap only, and only on a part of that lap, do you have a performance advantage over the car in front. With ballast, even a tiny amount, you have a performance gain in every single braking zone and every single traction zone for every single lap of the race. |
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2 Oct 2024, 08:09 (Ref:4229248) | #3520 | |
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Can't please all the people all the time. Whatever combination of hybrid, ballast, option tyres etc there will always be people against it. The racing this year has been pretty good compared to recent years IMO. I would remove the big gaps between tyres though as it's silly to see people waving others by but that's just my view of course.
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6 Oct 2024, 07:47 (Ref:4229669) | #3522 | |
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I'd sooner keep the hybrid system too. It's less of a handicap than ballast and a driver can still make up lack of hybrid. I'm not really missing the ballast system
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7 Oct 2024, 08:08 (Ref:4229784) | #3523 | ||
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Agreed, there hasn't been a single moment where I've thought ''oh I wish they had ballast boxes in the cars''.
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8 Oct 2024, 19:29 (Ref:4230005) | #3524 | |
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Jake Hill speculates that Hyundai engine has some secret qualy setup because it's always the fastest in speed traps
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