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Old 8 Feb 2008, 09:10 (Ref:2123890)   #31
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What's the point in changing DTM to something different? At this rate of adoption, every racing series in Europe will be either GT2 or GT3 spec, then you'll complain it's all the same!

To me, over here on this island, VLN looks like what DTM once was with regard to the cars and privateer/manufacturer balance.
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Old 8 Feb 2008, 10:25 (Ref:2123942)   #32
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I think the point was not to switch with DTM to GT2 rules, but to have a ruleset for DTM, that takes some clues from GT2, especially the unibody as comapred to the tubeframes.

As for the VLN: It's more like the DRM than like DTM: Porsche domination in the fastest class and then a bunch of Bimmers. Could use some Ford Capris, though :P
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Old 8 Feb 2008, 11:39 (Ref:2123993)   #33
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Tubeframe shassi is cheap alternative to touringcar and sportcar.
DTM is enough expensive to have problem in that way
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Old 8 Feb 2008, 16:48 (Ref:2124231)   #34
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Add to that that a GT is not a touringcar, so they would have to change the name in DGM, witch doesn't sound as good and familiar....
They're not even touring cars now!

DTM cars are as divorced from road technology as LMPs. One of the makes use a Honda V8 (you can't get an A4 with a V8 anyway) and the only part that is common with the road car is the roof panel.
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Old 8 Feb 2008, 17:19 (Ref:2124252)   #35
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you can't get an A4 with a V8 anyway
You don't consider S4 and RS4 to be A4s?
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Old 8 Feb 2008, 18:58 (Ref:2124315)   #36
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You don't consider S4 and RS4 to be A4s?
They are based on the A4 but they aren't called A4. Maybe they could call the DTM kit the S4 or RS4, but the car will still be a purpose built fraud anyway.
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Old 8 Feb 2008, 19:09 (Ref:2124320)   #37
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I think the point was not to switch with DTM to GT2 rules, but to have a ruleset for DTM, that takes some clues from GT2, especially the unibody as comapred to the tubeframes.
Yes. I don't want DTM to switch to a GT2 series. This BMW looks great, so why can't Mercedes and Audi build a 4-door C-class and A4 which are looking like this BMW? Real cars, real racing...
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Old 9 Feb 2008, 05:06 (Ref:2124666)   #38
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What's the point in changing DTM to something different? At this rate of adoption, every racing series in Europe will be either GT2 or GT3 spec, then you'll complain it's all the same!
I personally like the idea of many championships adopting the same regulations. Means manufacturers can build the one car to cover alot of series, allows 'cross-participation', and makes international racing alot easier.

Remember also that the DTM is a descendant of the DRM, which started out as a touring car based series but evolved into Group 5 and by its end was a sprint race Sportscar series allowing the likes of the Porsche 956


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Old 9 Feb 2008, 06:32 (Ref:2124688)   #39
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They're not even touring cars now!

...the only part that is common with the road car is the roof panel.
Exactly. It was a VERY long time since DTM had anything to do with Touring cars other then the legacy name. There is a real TC in Germany, but that is called ADAC Pro Cars or something like that. DTM cars are full breed purpose-built sportscars and nothing else.

Those two series should probably switch names...

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Now doesn't that slogan sound familiar
Yep, but this is what I miss in the current DTM.
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I personally like the idea of many championships adopting the same regulations. Means manufacturers can build the one car to cover alot of series, allows 'cross-participation', and makes international racing alot easier.
Yeah, we've already got a set of regulations like that. It's called Super 2000.
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Yeah, we've already got a set of regulations like that. It's called Super 2000.
Imagine if 15+ countries adopted S2000 like they did ST? That would be amazing! There's World Cup of Soccer, F1 and then S2000!
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Old 11 Feb 2008, 04:23 (Ref:2126200)   #43
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Yeah, we've already got a set of regulations like that. It's called Super 2000.
DTM is hardly likely to adopt S2000 regulations though are they. The only time the DTM has been part of a 'world formula' for Touring Cars was from 1984-1992, when it ran to Group A regulations (though they modified them slightly)
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Old 12 Feb 2008, 06:18 (Ref:2126981)   #44
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Imagine if 15+ countries adopted S2000 like they did ST? That would be amazing!
Well, 11 countries already have a TC (though I guess the Baltic states run 1 series together). Look at the eligable countries list on http://www.fiaetcc.com/2k7/

DTM however will never be apart of it, at least not unless it starts to return to it's original format of the early 1990ies.
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The list of countries is quite nice, although not every championship is completely or even dominantly S2000. In Italy, Portugal and Germany to count the number of S2000-cars you barely have to use your second hand. In Russia there are a bit more, about 10 I thought. In Finland a lot of cars have been given a lot of dispensations to fall in the S2000-class, with turbo's and completely different weights. That leaves Sweden, Danmark and he UK as proper S2000-championship. I'm not sure about the Baltic championship.
So there is a lot more ground to gain. I think a good step would be that it's easier to get a car homologated. The current deal between the Swedes and the Brits inwitch they automatically homologate cars witch have been homologated in the other country. Offcourse national autorithies should be carefull not to be to liberal considering proposals of their own countrie, it would lead to chaos, but in general this maybe should spread more over Europe.
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