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ALGARVE CLASSIC FESTIVAL
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A week later than previous years, but hopefully still sunny..... Will include I.H.E, MRL, U2TC, Pre ‘63, FJ and GTSCC grids.
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Old 5 Nov 2019, 13:23 (Ref:3938712)   #121
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What was your time penalty for SamBinfield?
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Something relating to refuelling - never had any more specific information.
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It’s hardly a comparable car, is it?

The B&H Sierra (damaged in Q) apparently carried a bit too much speed down the hill onto the straight, clipped a couple of cars and then performed several barrel rolls. Shell severely damaged but driver OK.

Nicest car in that race- CTC24E....

Was the driver Carey MacMahon?
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Was the driver Carey MacMahon?
Think so, I saw a message on his FB page saying the car had to withdraw due to panel damage, but he was ok.
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Was the driver Carey MacMahon?
I also assume so, though haven’t got entry list or results to hand. Panel damage a slight understatement......
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Panel damage a slight understatement......
I thought as much....
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Some interesting comments from Diogo Ferrão in an email to his IHE competitors today. Suggests the relationship between organiser and circuit boss is not good, and because of that the IHE may not be returning to the AIA.

The meeting needs the grids Diogo brings as the UK numbers were down this year, with only the GTSCC grid being healthy. I can’t see it being viable next year without the Iberian support, so hope the circuit sees sense and considers the issues raised.....
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I went with my media hat on this year. My first visit. Quite a strange event. The circuit has had a lot of money spent on building it and thousands of seats but no PA/commentary system of screens for results for spectators to see.
There were perhaps a few hundred spectators at best and the admissions system could not have coped with any more. Do they not promote it? I reckon half the spectators were from the UK.
There were some good races but some poor ones with small grids. Four cars in the FF race of which only one was a FF. Others with single figure grids which soon got spread out. Two two hour races were really only for the drivers. The 50s sports cars running into the dark might seem a good idea but a dozen cars of varied speed did not make a spectacle.
62 Westfields was a recipe for disaster and it was, I think they actually got 4 laps in their first race that were not under the safety car.
I like to go to different events each year and I am glad I went but I would not return. I wonder of the circuit/organisers did not have their heart in it.
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Some interesting comments from Diogo Ferrão in an email to his IHE competitors today. Suggests the relationship between organiser and circuit boss is not good, and because of that the IHE may not be returning to the AIA.

The meeting needs the grids Diogo brings as the UK numbers were down this year, with only the GTSCC grid being healthy. I can’t see it being viable next year without the Iberian support, so hope the circuit sees sense and considers the issues raised.....
Are you able to be more specific Mike? I like the meeting and think it's a good end the season - shame if there are problems
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Welcome to the forum, Derwent!

IMO one reason the event suffered reduced numbers this year because of the later date. When it started in 2009 (from memory) it was mid October, and stayed more or less there, until moving to the following weekend. This year the ELMS 4hr took precedence and the Classic was thrust into November. To make matters worse it was 2 weeks after a meeting at Estoril, making it difficult for some competitors to consider ‘back to back’ meetings in Portugal. If it had been the following weekend I’m sure there would have been more FJs, for instance.

Some grids such as U2TC have been poor this year regardless of location, so that has to be taken into consideration, and I don’t think any car meeting attracts big spectator numbers. Not sure how many attended the recent WSBK and ELMS weekends, but would be interesting to find out.

Since the circuit went bust and was taken over by the Portuguese government, it’s never been the most welcoming place, which is a shame because it’s a fabulous race track. They seem to be more interested nowadays in manufacturer events and exclusive track days. Maybe there’s more money to be made......
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Are you able to be more specific Mike? I like the meeting and think it's a good end the season - shame if there are problems
All those that attend, and many more that couldn’t make it this year, reckon it’s a good end to the season!

In a nutshell, sounds as if it’s not easy to forge a working relationship with the circuit boss(es)..... There's always been agro getting in on Wednesday eve, but to his credit, Diogo took control this year and we were allowed in at the appointed hour. Also, in previous years the circuit tried to turf everyone out Sunday eve, including truckers who legally couldn’t drive after having worked all day. Again, this year it was in the finals that competitors could stay until 0700 Monday.

One problem last weekend was a change to the carefully planned timetable. With shorter days in November, the organisers had a very tight schedule, only to be told on Friday that the circuit had arranged a road car session on Saturday off their own back, which had to be squeezed in.

There were also other issues mentioned, such as the way on track penalties were handled by the ‘stewards’, timing problems and no access to the VIP viewing tower for competitors, which has always been open to them before.

As I said in the previous post, it never feels the most welcoming circuit! Compare with Estoril- After Paul Ricard I drove there and parked up for a week. (Pre-arranged) Not even racing there. The staff I had contact with couldn’t have been more helpful and welcoming....
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IMO one reason the event suffered reduced numbers this year because of the later date. When it started in 2009 (from memory) it was mid October, and stayed more or less there, until moving to the following weekend. This year the ELMS 4hr took precedence and the Classic was thrust into November. To make matters worse it was 2 weeks after a meeting at Estoril, making it difficult for some competitors to consider ‘back to back’ meetings in Portugal. If it had been the following weekend I’m sure there would have been more FJs, for instance.

Some grids such as U2TC have been poor this year regardless of location, so that has to be taken into consideration, and I don’t think any car meeting attracts big spectator numbers. Not sure how many attended the recent WSBK and ELMS weekends, but would be interesting to find out.

Since the circuit went bust and was taken over by the Portuguese government, it’s never been the most welcoming place, which is a shame because it’s a fabulous race track. They seem to be more interested nowadays in manufacturer events and exclusive track days. Maybe there’s more money to be made......
The 24 hr race in July had no spectators along with ELMS which had a few more.
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It must be difficult to be viable with no spectators. I wonder why it has no PA system. I've not been to any other circuit that has not got one.
I was dealing with the lass who was the commercial manager who seemed clueless re motorsport and has never been to another circuit.

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Ah, so you’re the member formerly known as ‘derwent motorsport’, then....
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