[VASC19R25] SuperCheap Auto Bathurst 1000, Mount Panorama 10-13th October (WITH POLL) - Page 2

Forda · 19 Sep 2019, 05:45 (Ref:3928802)

It appears to have been tilted in their favour, possibly because the championship looks to be out of their reach.

gtcapri · 19 Sep 2019, 06:12 (Ref:3928806)

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So... who is the second driver in #888 when Mr Whincup is censured?
Or will Mr Dane be in the Supreme Court as fast as a Shell Mustang to injunct the race and claim damages from CAMS?

Messy..

Supreme court?? Whincup will be at Bathurst. Roland and CAMS will do some sort of deal where, at worst, they'll take championship points off him. They've done it before when a factory Holden driver was supposed to be suspended for Bathurst.

Mixer · 19 Sep 2019, 09:08 (Ref:3928835)

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Originally Posted by Forda

It appears to have been tilted in their favour, possibly because the championship looks to be out of their reach.

Perhaps Penske shouldn't have entered a Sports Sedan then.

E.B · 19 Sep 2019, 09:12 (Ref:3928836)

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Perhaps Penske shouldn't have entered a Sports Sedan then.

Even if it is one that was tried tested and approved by the relevant authorities as the introduction of the new car progressed through development. It also passes every event scrutineering week in week out.

Forda · 19 Sep 2019, 09:17 (Ref:3928838)

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Perhaps Penske shouldn't have entered a Sports Sedan then.

They built a car in accordance to the then-current rule book.

Perhaps you'd be happier if they'd taken the Holden approach, and used a FWD 4 cylinder hatchback, like for example say the Mondeo, slapped a Falcon badge on it, and deemed it to be a 'supercar'?

Jerico · 19 Sep 2019, 10:27 (Ref:3928847)

Penske built a car that exploited the soft rulebook to the limit. Even FPR didn't see the need to exploit it even further by placing weight in the mufflers. The pulling down of the front nose for aero only, side skirts and a rear wing setup that had never been seen before. Angled bottom wing plate with a turnup as apposed to flat used in the other two cars. Supercar have egg on their face as that mustang should never been signed off. It was a rocket ship, after seeing the first photo's I said no way you must be kidding they can't run that. That was without even knowing the COG numbers.
Changes for next year? I want to see the aero cut right back on all the cars. let's get back to the fastest driver in the best teams running at the front and with more passing. And not drivers looking way better than the are just by the car they drive.
PS good to see FPR pulling the DJR car back in too, time they stepped up.
Forda maybe let one of your mates kick me before you jump in, thanks Champ

V8 Fireworks · 19 Sep 2019, 10:33 (Ref:3928851)

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Originally Posted by Jerico

Even FPR didn't see the need to exploit it even further by placing weight in the mufflers.

This measure was thought up in 2018 in order to counter the unfair advantage of the ZB Commodore over the FGX Falcon and Altima. Why would you then undevelop, a then-legal development you already made!?

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And not drivers looking way better than the are just by the car they drive.

Lol. It has been clear that McLaughlin is one of the finest drivers since 2013 when McLaughlin won two races in a GRM VE Commodore and finished 10th in the championship in his rookie season. A far cry from Whincup's backmarker efforts in his rookie season in a similar GRM Commodore...

mayhem · 19 Sep 2019, 10:37 (Ref:3928852)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

So... who is the second driver in #888 when Mr Whincup is censured?
Or will Mr Dane be in the Supreme Court as fast as a Shell Mustang to injunct the race and claim damages from CAMS?

Messy..

I'll eat my hat if Whincup isnt at Bathurst. Eugene Arocca is looking for a bit of street-cred via tough talk, but you couldnt take the bloke seriously given his track record.

Jerico · 19 Sep 2019, 10:42 (Ref:3928853)

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Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

This measure was thought up in 2018 in order to counter the unfair advantage of the ZB Commodore over the FGX Falcon and Altima. Why would you then undevelop, a then-legal development you already made!?

The supposed advantage that DJR told everyone there was. The FGX that came second in 2017 in the last race of the year and won a year later. If there was an advantage it was not on the same planet to this years mustang.
And you know it.

Jerico · 19 Sep 2019, 10:55 (Ref:3928855)

I wasn't talking about just Scott. Scott is good very good, but he doesn't walk on water or turn water into wine. All the hot air sounds a bit like the young wonder boy CL who went to Europe to race open wheelers and was going to set the world on fire, he'll be our next F1 driver. How did that all go? Brock didn't set the world on fire out Australia either did he. people get carried away sometimes. Scott maybe a great one day, but he isn't yet.

V8 Fireworks · 19 Sep 2019, 12:07 (Ref:3928865)

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If there was an advantage it was not on the same planet to this years mustang.

Who says the Mustang has an advantage!? More likely DJRTP and Tickford are two of the finest operators, and are doing a great job.

Razor · 19 Sep 2019, 12:24 (Ref:3928871)

Have Tickford and Triple Eight a reserve driver each for #6 and #888 if Mr. Waters and Mr. Whincup get a race ban following their NZ controversy?

gtcapri · 19 Sep 2019, 21:10 (Ref:3928970)

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Originally Posted by Razor

Have Tickford and Triple Eight a reserve driver each for #6 and #888 if Mr. Waters and Mr. Whincup get a race ban following their NZ controversy?

I'd imagine that in the unlikely event either are suspended, it'll go to appeal which would be dragged out until after Bathurst. Deals have been done in the past to ensure drivers facing possible suspension race at Bathurst.

Forda · 20 Sep 2019, 00:11 (Ref:3928997)

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Originally Posted by Jerico

I wasn't talking about just Scott. Scott is good very good, but he doesn't walk on water or turn water into wine. All the hot air sounds a bit like the young wonder boy CL who went to Europe to race open wheelers and was going to set the world on fire, he'll be our next F1 driver. How did that all go? Brock didn't set the world on fire out Australia either did he. people get carried away sometimes. Scott maybe a great one day, but he isn't yet.

You're on a roll with your driver bashing here, champ.

Lowndes was promised the earth, but TW merely opened up a few doors for him. Like for any Aussie trying to break into the European scene, money was the underlying issue for Lowndes.
The fact he could simply jump into a McLaren F1 car and run within a second of Button around Bathurst showed he's always been extremely capable.

Brock never sought an overseas career - he instead preferred to compete in his own country, in his preferred category. On his few forays abroad, he did pretty well, all things considered.

As for Scotty, he's currently a class above, and has been for some time. Whether he truly wants to move to international competition is yet to be determined; however there is nothing to suggest he wouldn't be highly competitive in an international series.
And getting back on topic, adding a Bathurst victory to his resume seems to his current priority, with a 'win-it or bin-it' attitude:

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/spo...d7cf6e9a5e2b97

V12muscleman · 20 Sep 2019, 00:42 (Ref:3929001)

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Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Who says the Mustang has an advantage!? More likely DJRTP and Tickford are two of the finest operators, and are doing a great job.

Every single person I know in Supercars is saying that, including staff within one of the very organisations you mention. In fact they are doing such a good job and running such a fine operation that they can't even pay most of their staff or drivers. Hence the exodus. The Mustang advantage is the only thing saving them forgoing under...