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Old 23 Oct 2019, 23:11 (Ref:3936476)   #16
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I love the idea of the full course 40 zone for marshal safety and quick clean up, and no allowance for team tactics to influence the outcome, but at tracks like Bathurst it could cause other problems by trying to get the cars up the cutting while running on the pit limiter. I dont know if they could do it.

I am not exactly sure of the ratios in the current gearbox but based on pre COTF info if the cars were restricted to 1st gear only during FCY at Bathurst, at 5400 RPM they would be doing about 80kph. 5400 would allow them to climb the cutting easily and safely (not stalling). This rev/speed limit could apply to the entire track except where the incident is which could be a 40 zone controlled by the pit limiter.

Would this be an agreeable compromise?
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Old 24 Oct 2019, 13:35 (Ref:3936559)   #17
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Pretty much the way Slow Zones work in WEC. For a selected zone (at Silverstone generally about 5 flag points) code 80 applies, the rest of the track is clear. It's fairly effective. They mix and match this with full course Code 80 or Safety Car as deemed appropriate. Where SC is used, they seem to go FCY first and then put the SC out as the leader arrives.

40k is probably reasonable for club level on a normal circuit, for specialised vehicles it might need to be more. Crevantic 24hrs use Code 60 which I believe is also normal in Holland.
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Old 25 Oct 2019, 09:34 (Ref:3936658)   #18
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I've always been a fan of closing the pits when sc boards come out and then not allowing it to open until at least one flying lap is completed. I'd also think that limiting one car per boom to pit at a time reduces the double stack issue. It still condenses the field but results in the cars coming back to the track in the closest order possible to how they left it, save for what has to be done in the pits.
If they want to short fill to get track position then so be it, at least it rids us of the current dramas.
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I've always been a fan of closing the pits when sc boards come out and then not allowing it to open until at least one flying lap is completed. I'd also think that limiting one car per boom to pit at a time reduces the double stack issue. It still condenses the field but results in the cars coming back to the track in the closest order possible to how they left it, save for what has to be done in the pits.
If they want to short fill to get track position then so be it, at least it rids us of the current dramas.
A second order issue.The problem will be best solved by having solutions where the safety car hardly ever needs to come out.
As far as closing the pits it was already shown that it stops tactical options as everyone needs to make sure they refuel as soon as possible to avoid being trapped let alone the possibility of cars running dry during safety car.
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Old 26 Oct 2019, 23:51 (Ref:3936984)   #20
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A second order issue.The problem will be best solved by having solutions where the safety car hardly ever needs to come out.
As far as closing the pits it was already shown that it stops tactical options as everyone needs to make sure they refuel as soon as possible to avoid being trapped let alone the possibility of cars running dry during safety car.
Right on!!

Closing Pits? Not to mention dangerous medical or mechanical failures NOT being addressed swiftly...
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Old 29 Oct 2019, 08:30 (Ref:3937443)   #21
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Supercars & CAMS to review safety cars (as well as team orders) for the 2020 season.

Mr Seamer: “Everything will get thrown into the pot and we'll go through all of those ideas as part of the process of what we might want to do differently or improve next year."

https://www.supercars.com/news/champ...m-orders-rule/
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Old 31 Oct 2019, 10:40 (Ref:3937784)   #22
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“Everything will get thrown into the pot and we'll go through all of those ideas as part of the process of what we might want to do differently or improve next year.", chortled Seamer, cluelessly.
“One things for sure”, he added, grinning like a retard, “The cornerstones of our success will remain : Supercar Chaplain, the National Anthem, and Tim Schenken’s continuous ineptitude.”
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There's always the possibility of making them obey the flags under threat of draconian penalties and then we wouldn't even need a safety car. It's only there because the drivers can't be trusted to behave in a way which ensures marshals can work safely.
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Old 1 Nov 2019, 02:47 (Ref:3937898)   #24
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There's always the possibility of making them obey the flags under threat of draconian penalties and then we wouldn't even need a safety car. It's only there because the drivers can't be trusted to behave in a way which ensures marshals can work safely.
That may be true if it was a "safety" car and not an "entertainment vehicle"
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That may be true if it was a "safety" car and not an "entertainment vehicle"
Need to stay on topic here - this thread might solely constitute the ingredients for the pot which Mr Seamer is referring to.
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Surely the easiest solution to the safety car problems arrising out of Bathurst is to allow teams to pit both cars at once?
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Surely the easiest solution to the safety car problems arrising out of Bathurst is to allow teams to pit both cars at once?
Doesn't solve the problem of people breaking sector records under yellow flags to get back to the pits.

I'm not sure that any driver is going to follow the Debriss Directive if anybody else tries it on...
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My view is to close the pit exit until the end of the safety car train passes each lap. So you can pit under safety car but you will go a lap down (or 1/2 lap if you use 2 safety cars). No benefit to pit under a safety car.

Also impose a set speed limit once the safety car enters the track (eg: max 3rd gear) with anyone breaking this suffering a drive through.
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Old 2 Nov 2019, 01:16 (Ref:3938055)   #29
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My view is to close the pit exit until the end of the safety car train passes each lap. So you can pit under safety car but you will go a lap down (or 1/2 lap if you use 2 safety cars). No benefit to pit under a safety car.
Similar to the system that sealed the fate of the two PJ Nissan's at the '87 JH1000 and handed Brock unassailable lead over them to ultimately some months later be awarded victory.

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My view is to close the pit exit until the end of the safety car train passes each lap. So you can pit under safety car but you will go a lap down (or 1/2 lap if you use 2 safety cars). No benefit to pit under a safety car.

Also impose a set speed limit once the safety car enters the track (eg: max 3rd gear) with anyone breaking this suffering a drive through.
By train I guess we mean all cars on track in a tight formation line (regs say circa 5m between cars IIRC).
Surely your first paragraph won't work until the train has fully formed, and your second paragraph will probably prevent a train ever forming! Am I missing something?
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