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Old 20 Mar 2018, 05:24 (Ref:3809277)   #481
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I don't see how they'd hope to be able to succeed GTE-PRO, because they will never have as good BoP lawyers as brand recognition $$$ OEMs will. And not only are the big shots all bunched up together because of the artificial leveling, the cars there are generally bullet proofed too now, so it's unlike you'll triumph by reliability...

It's just too bad they seemingly gave up on P1, as they'll be sorry in couple years time if they start rethinking about it again. This right here is/was the best time possible to win Le Mans outright as privateer since 2004-2005 (maybe even 2006). If/when the new GTP rules come around the privateers will fall to the wayside again. That's not to say it wouldn't still be worth it, because the top class is always worth it in my books AND you yourself can make a difference to the outcome with better engineering (as P1 along with F1 is the only place left to actually do that), but it's one of those cases where it smells of comparatively missed opportunity still

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Old 1 Apr 2018, 15:52 (Ref:3812324)   #482
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Michelin to Run Post-IMSA Season ‘Non-BoP’ GTLM race
First ever opportunity to see unrestricted GTLM cars in competition.

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Michelin to Run Post-IMSA Season ‘Non-BoP’ GTLM race
First ever opportunity to see unrestricted GTLM cars in competition.

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It's a crappy april fools joke, forget it

(crappy because it makes logically too much sense to have non performance balanced LMGT competition again somewhere)
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Remember that tomorrow will be the first time since forever that we'll see* GTE/GT2 cars without the yellow headlights. Maybe by Saturday morning at sunrise the ACO will have realized it's a bad idea and reverse the regulations - I sure hope so - but probably not

* Well I say "see" figuratively, as we won't be able to witness any of the running, but you know
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Old 7 Apr 2018, 15:56 (Ref:3813653)   #485
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Remember that tomorrow will be the first time since forever that we'll see* GTE/GT2 cars without the yellow headlights. Maybe by Saturday morning at sunrise the ACO will have realized it's a bad idea and reverse the regulations - I sure hope so - but probably not

* Well I say "see" figuratively, as we won't be able to witness any of the running, but you know
Did you miss Daytona and Sebring?
Also the change was not willy nilly, it was motivated by safety...

It helps GTD and GTE-Am classes to keep out of the way of the Pro field. As well as more lumens on the road for GTE-Pro.
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Also the change was not willy nilly, it was motivated by safety...

It helps GTD and GTE-Am classes to keep out of the way of the Pro field. As well as more lumens on the road for GTE-Pro.
That's not ACO racing. Also it doesn't matter what you have at Daytona as it's lit like football stadium

Other than the marginal visibility help I don't get how it helps to keep anything out of the way when every car in the field, proto and GT has same lights. But this was already discussed here a month or two ago so I'm not going to repeat those arguments again further
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They're just lights, not a big deal imo. I actually like it better this way because the yellow only matched the Vettes
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Old 2 May 2018, 15:18 (Ref:3818892)   #488
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AF Corse (Ferrari)

#51 James Calado, Alessandro Pier Guidi (+Daniel Serra in LM24)
#71 Sam Bird, Davide Rigon (+Miguel Molina in LM24)

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#81 Nicky Catsburg, Martin Tomcyzk (+Philipp Eng in LM24)
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I know it's been talked about a little on the wec thread, but looks like Brabham isn't vaporware afterall- here's the new Brabham BT62 supercar, they're hoping to return to Le Mans with it in the near future apparently. Will 70 cars be enough to get them an entry? Will 70 cars even be sold?

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Glickenhaus GTE doesn't sound entirely realistic, but compared to these guys it's basically done deal

I'd like to say something about Lamborghini. While I don't particularly care whether they show up in GTE as per say, just like I don't with any of these mfgs with the formula as it is now, it would however probably ensure Lambo Trofeo making it's way to the Le Mans "spec series" support bill that's being reshuffled (much like the Legends race used to be between Group C and 1949-1965)

2010 - Porsche Cup
2011 - Ferrari Challenge
2012 - Aston Martin Festival
2013 - Ferrari Challenge
2014 - Porsche Cup
2015 - Aston Martin Festival
2016 - Ferrari Challenge
2017 - Porsche Cup
2018 - Aston Martin Festival
(2019 - presumably Ferrari Challenge)

So they're only letting in the marques involved in GTE. Presumably Ford, Corvette and BMW aren't there because they don't have their own spec series... But Lambo does

I think the last time Lamborghini series at LM was in the 90's? Is that correct?
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Looking at year on year BOP for Spa (2017 vs 2018), Ford and Porsche have near identical BOP to last year. The Porsche is actually 4-5 kg heavier this year at Spa. The ford is 2-3kg heavier. Restrictors and Boost Ratios are near identical to last year as well.

What has changed is Ford and Porsche qualified and are racing 3 seconds faster than last year with near identical BOP to last year. Ferrari are actually the only ones to have brought and evolution aero package, and they are a bit slower than last year.

I don't really think anyone has been advantaged or disadvantaged from year on year at Spa with BOP. However, I do think ACO should have responded to the gap seen at the prologue. Ford and Porsche have found pace this year that didn't come from BOP adjustments.
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Looking at year on year BOP for Spa (2017 vs 2018), Ford and Porsche have near identical BOP to last year. The Porsche is actually 4-5 kg heavier this year at Spa. The ford is 2-3kg heavier. Restrictors and Boost Ratios are near identical to last year as well.

What has changed is Ford and Porsche qualified and are racing 3 seconds faster than last year with near identical BOP to last year. Ferrari are actually the only ones to have brought and evolution aero package, and they are a bit slower than last year.

I don't really think anyone has been advantaged or disadvantaged from year on year at Spa with BOP. However, I do think ACO should have responded to the gap seen at the prologue. Ford and Porsche have found pace this year that didn't come from BOP adjustments.
Maybe they don't believe that the Ferrari is as slow as it is? Might feel like they're holding back a little bit. They hopefully have accurate data to make bop for Le Mans because it'll be pretty stupid to cut the Porsche and Ford then all of a sudden it's the Ferrari's that are the fastest.
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After seeing the BoP tables for the Nürbugring at the weekend, I've been wondering just what is so special about GTE engines. The Porsche GT3R and RSR both have a four litre flat six and make similar power after the air restrictors have been fitted. Yet the GT3R has 2x41.5mm restrictors (FIA spec) or 2x36mm restrictors (Nürburgring spec) while the RSR has 2x30.9mm (as of the race at Spa). I was hoping some of the more technically-minded people on here might know.
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https://www.fia.com/events/world-end...ance-committee (Decision 18)
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Really I don't get this BOP malarkey. I feel racing would be good enough without it. I guess what works for Nurburgring works for the Nurburgring. That's how we get a great spectacle. Certainly better than most series.
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After seeing the BoP tables for the Nürbugring at the weekend, I've been wondering just what is so special about GTE engines. The Porsche GT3R and RSR both have a four litre flat six and make similar power after the air restrictors have been fitted. Yet the GT3R has 2x41.5mm restrictors (FIA spec) or 2x36mm restrictors (Nürburgring spec) while the RSR has 2x30.9mm (as of the race at Spa). I was hoping some of the more technically-minded people on here might know.
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Difference is that 911 gt3r engine is basically street engine slighlty modified and tuned for racing trim; 911 RSR engine is the same old gt3 rsr motor, that however got much more racing parts in its build.
Both have similiar power and torque output, revving up over 9000rpm, but the latter being a better tuned engine needs smaller restrictors to achieve same performances.

In early days of this year, I discussed here about how could AMG GT3 and 2017 cadillac dpi have a 100hp different power output despite same displacement, layout and similiar restrictor sizes. The answer is the same.
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