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Old 7 Mar 2006, 09:05 (Ref:1539439)   #16
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Andy Barton was a bit of an Ingliston legend. I remember the B35 which maybe went to one of the scottish Libre drivers (can't remember who maybe Stuart Rollo?) he had March 77B then a 78b/782 which he seemed to develop extensively until it had 80b style sidepods and 792 nose. He kept the 77B which appeared to be hired out to Cameron Binnie.
The JTB3 appeared between the 77B & the 78B and Andy didn't use it for long. Part of the 78 season probably then I think it went onto Dave Muter.
Aaah - memories.
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Old 7 Mar 2006, 09:11 (Ref:1539441)   #17
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...He kept the 77B which appeared to be hired out to Cameron Binnie...
That could explain a lot!!
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Old 7 Mar 2006, 11:39 (Ref:1539524)   #18
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where is cameron binnie from? Is he cumbrian?

My Dad has the number for someone in Penrith who has a 782 with an atlantic bda. I'll pass the details on if it helps.
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Old 7 Mar 2006, 13:07 (Ref:1539580)   #19
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I think Cameron Binnie was a Scot, and a mate of Andy's. He used Andy's Barton and 77B after Andy had progressed. Pretty quick chap as I recall, he had one of the first PRS FFs, and went well in it 'up North', and also further south against stronger opposition.

Cameron, I don't think Andy sold his B35 to anyone else, I think he totalled it early on in its life with him, ie Spring 77. You may be referring to Stuart Lawson and Bob Rollo, who were Northern Libre stalwarts of that time. Rollo may have had the ex-Andy 73B/742/75B whatever, Lawson I think had an ex-Dickson car or 2.
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Old 7 Mar 2006, 13:19 (Ref:1539585)   #20
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[QUOTE=allenbrown]I needed a break from BT35 speculation so here's a few things I spotted about Barton's cars while looking up March 802s:

Close season stock:
Autosport advert 29 Jan 1981 p53
March 78/79 B Atlantic or Hill Climb car available with or without spare tub
March 772P/77B Atlantic or Hill Climb car rebuilt with new tub Aug 1980.

He raced up to:
Scotcircuit 26 Apr (AS 7 May 1981 p45) : March-Hart 782

but then (Autosport 7 May 1981 p42)
"Barton wrote off his March 792 in practice at Croft on Easter Monday". He was "just getting the car sorted after fitting a Hart 420R over the winter to replace the Atlantic unit fitted in 1980". The engine is OK and "Andy has another tub to rebuild the car around".

Allen,

In the following weeks:
Oulton 9 May (AS 21 May 1981 p50) : March-Hart 772
Mallory 10 May (AS 21 May 1981 p47) : March-Hart 792
Scotcircuit 17 May (AS 28 May 1981 p48) : March 782 ("rebuilt")
AS 11 Jun 1981 p43: March-Hart 792
AS 25 Jun 1981 p54: March-Hart 78/792

So did he stick the Hart in the back of his old 772P/77B for the weekend of 9-10 May and then rebuild his 782/79B around a "new" tub in time for the next weekend?


Allen, we know the 77B was ex-Ian S from ZA, and think the 782/79B/792 was ex-Hoffman. I'm intrigued by the Mallory 81 May 10 meet. I haven't got a prog from it, so presume I wasn't there (A-levels looming maybe the reason I missed it !!), what was the meeting/race Andy was in ? I can't think he'd have stuck the Hart in the 77B would he, did he borrow a real 772, the ex-Dickson one maybe?

I saw the 782/79B on July 5 '81, at the Donington Open race, supporting the Belgian Touring Cars (really!), it was entered as a "782 Hart". Andy quallied well down, perhaps running it in (?), but cane thru' to 2nd behind Val M's 'Bennepaldi'.

Some interesting stuff out in that race - Muter in the Barton, Corridon in the Lyncar ('79 ex-Villota?), Kenny Stone non-started a '74B', Travis in a '772P' (which I'm sure it wasn't) BDA, Robinson & Booth in B48s, Malkie in the ex-Jim C/Keke B45. Plus sundry others.

In the supporting 'International Atlantic Race', Bob Howlings has his scruffy B29, Tyrrell Arnold the 2nd Argo JM9, Jim Evans the Kim 792 (which Jim E owned), and Malcolm Hull in the Neil Fletcher Racing '782' - this one I've mentioned before, no idea what it was.
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Old 7 Mar 2006, 13:27 (Ref:1539590)   #21
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I can't recall who did the reports at those 9-10 May races but the descriptions of the cars could have come from entries placed before the Croft crash. Maybe Barton just drove the 77B at those two and the 'Hart' bit was lifted from the programme by the journalist?

Given how many cars and tubs he had, I'd be surprised if he'd borrowed yet another one.

How much work is it to stuff a Hart 420R into an Atlantic car? For an Iron Man that is, not for an ordinary mortal. I'd have no idea.

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Old 20 Mar 2006, 19:32 (Ref:1555198)   #22
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From what i recall andy ran the lotus 69 moonraker car, he also destroyed the chevron at croft and cameron binnie is a farmer from cornhill on tweed in the borders.
David muter bought the lotus and the barton jtb3(earlier known as the sana)
I also remember andy driving a march/bmw at croft which i think belonged to jimmy jack.
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Old 20 Mar 2006, 20:40 (Ref:1555259)   #23
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The Chevron he wrecked at Croft was between the Sana and the 77B I think. He wrecked it, a B40, on his first drive in it. I saw that in 1978 Autosports recently - I may be able to find it again.

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Old 21 Mar 2006, 12:49 (Ref:1555764)   #24
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Which B40 though Allen ?
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Old 21 Mar 2006, 16:29 (Ref:1555872)   #25
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I've just had a good look for a B40 thread and we don't seem to have had any meaningful conversation about them so I've started a new thread.

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Old 23 Mar 2006, 09:38 (Ref:1558270)   #26
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I've recently received a programme from an Atlantic meeting in 1979
at which Andy B appeared in the March 77B. The plate was noted:
77B-3 and the programme note 'ex Ian Scheckter?'
Scheckter had two 77Bs in 1977; getting a new car after badly damaging
the first early in the season. As he carried a 77B as a spare car through 1978
I'd suggest that Barton bought the remains of the first car.
This would be the car that Binnie uses in the early 80s

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Old 23 Mar 2006, 09:55 (Ref:1558285)   #27
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Chris that makes sense, you didn't note the no. of Andy's 782/79B at all did you. He got this in early 79, and I've read that it may have been ex-Hoffman/Project 4. If so I've surmised it would be 782-14, any thoughts on this ?
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Old 23 Mar 2006, 10:00 (Ref:1558292)   #28
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That's a result! Any more chassis numbers in that new collection of programs you got?

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Old 28 Nov 2006, 07:48 (Ref:1776427)   #29
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Old 28 Nov 2006, 07:52 (Ref:1776428)   #30
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Welcome Andy!

Very brave of you to pop in

Tell us please, where did you get that 782 from?

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