WEC Kolles Prototype - Page 45

**Aysedasi** · 30 Mar 2018, 21:20 (Ref:3812029)

From that angle it just looks......wrong.

**Adam43** · 31 Mar 2018, 04:37 (Ref:3812053)

It’s not a looker. Lots of dayglo never works well. After about 1987 it looked cheap. Getting rid of that would help, but there is probably only so much you can do...

**Aysedasi** · 31 Mar 2018, 06:17 (Ref:3812056)

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Originally Posted by Adam43

It’s not a looker. Lots of dayglo never works well. After about 1987 it looked cheap. Getting rid of that would help, but there is probably only so much you can do...

Strange though, when I saw it up close at LM scrutineering in ‘16, it looked the business - perhaps it’s just the angle of the shot..... it looks like something that’s been thrown together.....

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carbsmith · 31 Mar 2018, 06:51 (Ref:3812058)

Well it would considering the car is roughly half coloured. It wouldn't look half as weird if it just had the silver on its front wheel well.

Mike E · 31 Mar 2018, 07:04 (Ref:3812060)

Better from this angle?

http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/dom...ing-en-essais/

**Bentley03** · 31 Mar 2018, 07:45 (Ref:3812062)

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Originally Posted by Mike E

Better from this angle?

http://www.endurance-info.com/fr/dom...ing-en-essais/

Erm...nope

But I agree with what others have said, an improved livery would make it look a little more right. Anyway, if it goes well, I won't much care how it looks, I'd love to see their perseverance finally reap some reward.

Deleted · 31 Mar 2018, 09:39 (Ref:3812086)

Meh it's fine. And in any case, at least CLM doesn't look the way it is does because of regulative restricting, but because that's the best they came up with... that's different to having mandated cheaply put together ugly machinery (like Daytona Prototype)

The visual aesthetics of all LMP cars - P1, P2 and P3 - are all fine now, I don't find anything to complain about really... I mean going for width rather than height would be preferable but whatever it'll do. The true problems are elsewhere, which is going for spec galore in P2 and P3, and the soulless DPi rebranding / cheapness / performance balancing ideology potentially creeping into what they call GTP.

Akrapovic · 31 Mar 2018, 17:17 (Ref:3812143)

The biggest problem (for me) is that they still have the old tub, which causes the weird sudden widening of the nose as it goes up the car. It's all out of proportion - front end is too big for the rest of the car. But hey, if it works it works.

TF110 · 31 Mar 2018, 21:00 (Ref:3812170)

I agree those front fenders are pretty wide. As long as it's competitive they can keep the chassis. I think eventually they'll have to replace it or update it but it's served them, maybe not so well, but they have an entry which is a good thing. Once it's all stickered up I'm sure it'll look better, it usually does.

carbsmith · 31 Mar 2018, 22:51 (Ref:3812183)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

The biggest problem (for me) is that they still have the old tub, which causes the weird sudden widening of the nose as it goes up the car. It's all out of proportion - front end is too big for the rest of the car. But hey, if it works it works.

That's really a regulatory necessity. The R18 only looked different because they pushed the driver way back in the car which there's not much reason to do in a non-hybrid.

Akrapovic · 1 Apr 2018, 08:32 (Ref:3812212)

The width is a necessity, but not how Kolles has achieved it. That's just there because it's still the old tub they're working with so there's no other solution.

carbsmith · 1 Apr 2018, 20:07 (Ref:3812362)

Except every tub has to be the same dimensions at pretty much that point. The BR1 is a new monocoque and has the same "step" where the footbox ends, it's just less aggressive because their nose narrows more gradually.

The only thing that a new tub would do is allow them to move back the point it curves in a few small centimeters, which wouldn't necessarily do anything visually except make the protruding part longer. It's no different than that ugly new nose Mercedes put on their F1 car last season and kept this season.

templer · 1 Apr 2018, 21:12 (Ref:3812379)

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Originally Posted by carbsmith

Except every tub has to be the same dimensions at pretty much that point. The BR1 is a new monocoque and has the same "step" where the footbox ends, it's just less aggressive because their nose narrows more gradually.

The only thing that a new tub would do is allow them to move back the point it curves in a few small centimeters, which wouldn't necessarily do anything visually except make the protruding part longer. It's no different than that ugly new nose Mercedes put on their F1 car last season and kept this season.

Absolutely right. A new monocoque has nothing to do with less width. For this you need to push the cockpit further back like Audi or Dome did it. This had aero advantages but make the front suspension design pretty hard due to a lack of space.
Bykolles want a new monocoque for weight2 reasons and a possible higher footbox. But at the moment the price for a new monocoque requiring also a new crashtest are too high

CTD · 2 Apr 2018, 08:29 (Ref:3812434)

How old is the ByKolles monocoque by now?

Akrapovic · 2 Apr 2018, 12:08 (Ref:3812467)

The ByKolles chassis is wider for longer than any other car. Look at it compared to the front wheel positions of other vehicles.

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How old is the ByKolles monocoque by now?

2014. But even that is based on the "Lotus" LMP2 chassis by Adess.

TF110 · 2 Apr 2018, 20:43 (Ref:3812555)

Didn't the recent early 2010's hpd chassis use one's from old zytek's from years before?

**Bentley03** · 3 Apr 2018, 07:05 (Ref:3812591)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Didn't the recent early 2010's hpd chassis use one's from old zytek's from years before?

They used Lola and Courage chassis. The ARX-01 was based on the LC75.

TF110 · 3 Apr 2018, 07:30 (Ref:3812593)

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Originally Posted by Bentley03

They used Lola and Courage chassis. The ARX-01 was based on the LC75.

Which was from when?

Victor_RO · 3 Apr 2018, 07:30 (Ref:3812594)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Which was from when?

2007 roughly.

TF110 · 3 Apr 2018, 07:41 (Ref:3812595)

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Originally Posted by Victor_RO

2007 roughly.

Pretty good shelf life! I don't know how that bodes for the Kolles chassis but hopefully it serves them well this year.

Damian Baldi · 5 Apr 2018, 16:53 (Ref:3813022)

it looks like a radioactive pregnant shark

Juntos · 5 Apr 2018, 17:08 (Ref:3813028)

I can't see a single sponsor in the car. Where is the money coming from? LMP1 aren't cheap.

TF110 · 5 Apr 2018, 17:17 (Ref:3813030)

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Originally Posted by Juntos

I can't see a single sponsor in the car. Where is the money coming from? LMP1 aren't cheap.

There's a few stickers on it.

canaglia · 5 Apr 2018, 17:18 (Ref:3813031)

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Originally Posted by Juntos

I can't see a single sponsor in the car. Where is the money coming from? LMP1 aren't cheap.

kolles is a debts friendly guy

he ran a budgetless 3 years program in F1, what issues could he have in sportscars?

**joeb** · 5 Apr 2018, 17:26 (Ref:3813036)

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Originally Posted by Juntos

I can't see a single sponsor in the car. Where is the money coming from? LMP1 aren't cheap.

is TCS on the side something?

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