BTCC Rounds 22-24 Snetterton

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by Evantra

Yep, no mention of Rivett this race who is in front of her...

Realising just how good a job Addison does, this race feels so strange without him.

I love David Addison but have to say, he hasn't done a great job at Spa this weekend. Maybe SRO dictate what he can and can't say, but the way he handled the Super Trofeo accident was pretty terrible. I was massively unimpressed with that.

But on BTCC he tends to do very very well.

[porsche962fan]

Turks and Sutton have same points

[GT6]

Not the best of races but still good to see the cars back on grid, next two rounds should be better

[Akrapovic]

Shout out to Jake Hill for giving the place back to Tingram. Respect.

[porsche962fan]

Turks 272
Sutton 272
Cammish 264
Tingram 249

same number of wins but Turks has more 2nd places

[mark_l]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

I love David Addison but have to say, he hasn't done a great job at Spa this weekend. Maybe SRO dictate what he can and can't say, but the way he handled the Super Trofeo accident was pretty terrible. I was massively unimpressed with that.

But on BTCC he tends to do very very well.

I don't think he handled it terribly as you put it. He was reporting on it live, with no news on any possible injuries.

How do you find it terrible?

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by mark_l

I don't think he handled it terribly as you put it. He was reporting on it live, with no news on any possible injuries.

How do you find it terrible?

The race was red flagged and not restarted and after the director cut from the accident it wasn't referenced again. Nothing about the drivers conditions, or anything like that. It was just "lets all celebrate on the podium" nonsense. We cut from the stream acting like the race ended normally, whilst we have no idea how the drivers are.

I understand no replays and not giving out any information whilst they don't have it, but they just went into "didn't happen, carry on" mode. I'm assuming this was an SRO directive, because Addison is better than that.

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This Ginetta race is amazing.

[Evantra]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

This Ginetta race is amazing.

About ten cars in a row for 4th!

[mark_l]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

The race was red flagged and not restarted and after the director cut from the accident it wasn't referenced again. Nothing about the drivers conditions, or anything like that. It was just "lets all celebrate on the podium" nonsense. We cut from the stream acting like the race ended normally, whilst we have no idea how the drivers are.

I understand no replays and not giving out any information whilst they don't have it, but they just went into "didn't happen, carry on" mode. I'm assuming this was an SRO directive, because Addison is better than that.

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He was probably commentating from a tv screen with little view of the accident out of the window, so when the tv director cuts to something else Addison has no choice but to talk about what both he and the viewers can see.

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by mark_l

He was probably commentating from a tv screen with little view of the accident out of the window, so when the tv director cuts to something else Addison has no choice but to talk about what both he and the viewers can see.

I don't agree with that at all. Otherwise commentators would only ever be a visual describer, which is not what they are. Addison is never that and generally has a huge amount of knowledge which he adds to events - all of the BTCC commentators do. To not even reference a horrendous accident we witnessed is pretty bad. Cutting off the stream without as much as acknowledging it happened, or saying there will be updates when we get them feels incredibly crass. I understand the idea of being respectful and not spreading false information, but the "don't talk about it, didn't happen" stance goes so far the other way it's very disrespectful. Fans are then left on Twitter asking for updates.

The Spa 24 Hour race direction has been utterly abysmal. We've missed most of the green flag restarts because they show the highlights reel at the end of the yellow flag, but the highlights are 5+ minutes long. SROs handling of the 24 hour has been getting worse for a while and this year is no different. I suspect this was more an SRO thing than an Addison thing, as Addisons stance when covering GTWC is very much "Have no opinion on anything", which is bizarre to listen to.

[mark_l]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

I don't agree with that at all. Otherwise commentators would only ever be a visual describer, which is not what they are. Addison is never that and generally has a huge amount of knowledge which he adds to events - all of the BTCC commentators do. To not even reference a horrendous accident we witnessed is pretty bad. Cutting off the stream without as much as acknowledging it happened, or saying there will be updates when we get them feels incredibly crass. I understand the idea of being respectful and not spreading false information, but the "don't talk about it, didn't happen" stance goes so far the other way it's very disrespectful. Fans are then left on Twitter asking for updates.

The Spa 24 Hour race direction has been utterly abysmal. We've missed most of the green flag restarts because they show the highlights reel at the end of the yellow flag, but the highlights are 5+ minutes long. SROs handling of the 24 hour has been getting worse for a while and this year is no different. I suspect this was more an SRO thing than an Addison thing, as Addisons stance when covering GTWC is very much "Have no opinion on anything", which is bizarre to listen to.

What is the point on talking about something the tv viewers can't see. If David couldn't see the accident personally how do you expect him to comment about it. Most commentators when there is a bad accident don't refer to it afterwards as they are not allowed to speculate about it.

(MSA UK G14:Commentators The commentator is not regarded as an Official of the meeting but must nevertheless ensure that any comment made should not imply that a regulation has been broken, or that
action should be taken against a Competitor or Official. Official statements must only be issued under the authority of the
Clerk of the Course")

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by mark_l

What is the point on talking about something the tv viewers can't see. If David couldn't see the accident personally how do you expect him to comment about it. Most commentators when there is a bad accident don't refer to it afterwards as they are not allowed to speculate about it.

Not sure if you're trolling or not. It's kinda a requirement that commentators fill us in on information we don't have at home - changes throughout the field that haven't been caught on camera, whether conditions, penalties. Without doing that there would be literally no point in a commentator. I mean, right now in F4 they're talking about championship positions and we can't see those. Or in BTCC R1 where they talked about Neate pitting and it wasn't on screen, etc.

Commentators ALWAYS reference a bad accident. Referencing an accident is not speculating about it. It's absolutely normal for a commentator to say "We won't speculate and get you more information when we have it" - which is ALWAYS "We have an official statement from X". That rule book doesn't say the commentator must not reference anything which isn't on the screen. The idea of covering this topic with rules is kinda hilarious.

Fortunately most TV production is not that bad. Unfortunately, SRO takes your stance and this years coverage has been atrocious throughout. Addisons job over there is be as bland as possible, and make sure John Watson doesn't say anything offensive. I want BTCC David back - that's much better than SRO David.'

[crmalcolm]

Is it a sign of how 'clean' the BTCC has become, that the discussion of an accident in a BTCC thread is focused on the commentary at another track, in another series?

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Is it a sign of how 'clean' the BTCC has become, that the discussion of an accident in a BTCC thread is focused on the commentary at another track, in another series?

Well, BTCC R1 was a bit poor, but the Ginetta race more than made up for it.

[porsche962fan]

Cammish gotta go past Sutton to kep his title hopes alive

[Alfisti]

Not seen any of what is being discussed but an absolute pet hate of mine is broadcast TV/ live stream/ whatever media not keeping the public up to date when drivers, officials, fans etc. are involved in accidents. I couldn't give a sod about results, podiums or any of that when not knowing how someone involved in an accident is. Life is far more important than a trophy.

Even a bland Mr X has been taken to Y medical centre and no details are available tells us something.

I find the US coverage of NASCAR (both Fox and NBC) to be very good at keeping fans in the loop.

[GT6]

well here we go again, hope it is better than first race

[porsche962fan]

it becomes a bit of farce they should just finish this race already

[MagicBoy]

Good job they've got regulations to stop it becoming a farce.

[Matt K]

This is what they call a green-white-chequered in America! A proper one!

Btw who said onboard cameras add nothing to racing? They do a lot! Especially those where you can see the driver at work. (I know it's not the first weekend with onboards).

[Akrapovic]

"We've been told Jack is out the car"

Thank you commentators for filling us in on a drivers condition after an accident, since we couldn't see it on screen.

[porsche962fan]

Tingram rear bumper redesigned by Butcher

[porsche962fan]

now the traditional Turks draws 12th ?

[GT6]

Well that was even worse than race 1 except for the last lap, seems this track just creates a train of cars with almost nothing anyone can do

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by GT6

Well that was even worse than race 1 except for the last lap, seems this track just creates a train of cars with almost nothing anyone can do

I miss the old Snett.