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Old 20 Jul 2014, 15:45 (Ref:3435901)   #16
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The Gulf colors don’t look as good on a Porsche as they do on an Aston Martin. And the Porsches in general are doing horrible in GTE -- 9th, 10th, 12th, and 13th of 13 cars.
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Old 21 Jul 2014, 08:16 (Ref:3436143)   #17
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I see a gradual decline in ELMS specific race thread interest here

2014 R3 - 15 posts
2014 R2 - 60 posts
2014 R1 - 148 posts

Then again the post-LM depression happens every season
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Old 21 Jul 2014, 09:34 (Ref:3436172)   #18
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I see a gradual decline in ELMS specific race thread interest here

2014 R3 - 15 posts
2014 R2 - 60 posts
2014 R1 - 148 posts

Then again the post-LM depression happens every season
Speaking for me, the interest for ELMS dropped since the end of 2011 season.
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Old 21 Jul 2014, 10:36 (Ref:3436186)   #19
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Same here. 2011 was still awesome with LMP1 (Rebellion-Pesca was rather epic), no forced proam crap in every single class, and the integrated ILMC grids.

2012 was terrible
2013-2014 have been pretty okay but really not much to talk home about

It's just that they admitted themselves being second tier series which makes the championship appear less important. It doesn't seem to matter as much who won the 2014 Red Bull Ring 4 Hours as it did Portimao 1000km in 2010.

... yet I still find it less problematic than the other three series And I guess they have good sized grids, even with the non compliant filler class there, so it's not too bad
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Old 21 Jul 2014, 11:11 (Ref:3436192)   #20
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They should encourage some teams to buy TUSC-style Daytona Prototypes---that would get the boards active again.
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Old 21 Jul 2014, 11:28 (Ref:3436197)   #21
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It is second-tier but it's actually producing some of the best and most intriguing sportscar racing this year.

The Pro-Am element ensures the races are open right until the end and there's a great tactical element. There's more wheel-to-wheel racing than we've seen in previous years. Some great drivers and guys who also will be WEC stalwarts in future years.

I enjoy the races infinitely more than what it feels like I'm enduring while watching TUSC. It just doesn't have that "must-watch" buzz to it which I only really get for the WEC.

I could have watched it live yesterday but opted not to and now I'm watching it back on delay, same as Imola. So I can't bemoan the lack of posts.
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They should encourage some teams to buy TUSC-style Daytona Prototypes---that would get the boards active again.
Sure. But as a twist ACO would only allow DPs into GTC to be performance balanced with GT3 cars
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Old 21 Jul 2014, 11:37 (Ref:3436202)   #23
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The race was awesome. Much better than any TUSC race. It is sad how strong headed americans are. Maybe the safety car could be a DP instead of the Nissan Z xD
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Old 21 Jul 2014, 11:46 (Ref:3436207)   #24
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"It is sad how strong headed americans are."

Hey, I resent that. I am American and plenty of people have told me I am weak in the head.
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Maybe the safety car could be a DP instead of the Nissan Z xD
But one of the functions of SC car is not to collide with other cars, such task would be impossible for DP
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It is second-tier but it's actually producing some of the best and most intriguing sportscar racing this year.

The Pro-Am element ensures the races are open right until the end and there's a great tactical element. There's more wheel-to-wheel racing than we've seen in previous years. Some great drivers and guys who also will be WEC stalwarts in future years.

I enjoy the races infinitely more than what it feels like I'm enduring while watching TUSC. It just doesn't have that "must-watch" buzz to it which I only really get for the WEC.

I could have watched it live yesterday but opted not to and now I'm watching it back on delay, same as Imola. So I can't bemoan the lack of posts.
I find just the reverse is true — that ELMS is compelling while the WEC is simply tedious to watch. The Pro-Am classes in ELMS are simply better (more cars) than those in the WEC and there’s more at stake as well — ELMS P2 and GTE-AM teams are effectively auditioning for invites to Le Mans, and the consequences for not getting an invite could include a team being forced to shut down.
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Old 21 Jul 2014, 17:15 (Ref:3436321)   #27
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I find just the reverse is true — that ELMS is compelling while the WEC is simply tedious to watch. The Pro-Am classes in ELMS are simply better (more cars) than those in the WEC and there’s more at stake as well — ELMS P2 and GTE-AM teams are effectively auditioning for invites to Le Mans, and the consequences for not getting an invite could include a team being forced to shut down.
Yeah but the invites have sort of lost their worth because you can just buy yourself Le Mans garagw slot by entering WEC next year, zero effort... also as Risi showed this year, just because you receive automatic invite doesn't mean you actually get one (okay Risi's Krohn Racing camourflage thingie was different was but the point still stands)

And again as for me, it's just wrong to have ALL categories as pro-am. Yes I can understand the (soon to be resurrected) junior proto class and GTs, even what was GT2, but when you have your premiere class limited to proam-costcap-privateers as well it just kinda makes it have more club feel to it...

I mean just think of it, six years ago:

Le Mans - 4 classes without restrictions in drivers, budget, factory/privateer (technically not even P2)
Le Mans Series - 4 classes without restrictions in drivers, budget, factory/privateer (technically not even P2)
American Le Mans Series - 4 classes without restrictions in drivers, budget, factory/privateer

And now:

Le Mans / FIA WEC - out of 4 classes 2 are proam (of which one is cost capped and privateer-only and the another one exists to artificially split the class in two for 'amateurs') + separate sub class for P1 privateers only
Le Mans Series - all 3 classes are proam (of which one is cost-capped) and all -in truth- privateer only
United Sportscar Championship - out of 4 classes 2 are proam (of which one (or two in truth) is privateer only)) + some cars in another category are cost-capped
Asian Le Mans Series - all 3 classes are proam (of which one (or two?) is cost-capped)) and all -in truth- privateer only

Next year we'll (re-)get another proam category for ELMS, but hopefully - by the look of things - LMP2 goes back to unlimited in terms of drivers in WEC/LM

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Yes but no gentleman means no money.. Except for the factory teams!!
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The world is not the same as it was back then, so that point of view doesn't seem valid to me any longer tbh. Class wins for gentleman drivers give them better return on their investment than running around in a pack behind the all-pro squads in the same class, and right now without RoI... everyone bails out in the end and everything dies. People (by which I mean richer petrolheads) don't have the same amount of money to burn on racing that they had 6 years ago FFS.
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