March 73B - 74B - 75B - 76B - 77B - Page 3

Chris Townsend · 11 May 2003, 13:42 (Ref:1581335)

Brian

No, there was only one Ken Bailey, and the history works out. The Cyd Williams 722 is 722-39 and this number is noted by Motoring News on its debut in Atlantic, along with 722-37 which is raced by Chris Oates. 722-37 goes to Baron Robertson in 73 and then John Leffler. 39 is sold to Bailey who used in F.Atlantic in UK in 73. The car was then sold to a guy called Phil Dowell who was killed testing it at Silverstone pre-season in '74. I've always presumed that the car was destroyed in this accident.

So, Bailey's 73B is a genuine model, ex Charles Lucas '73 season. I got a bit thrown by the advert for a March 722 in 1974, because it's got Bailey's name on it. However, the phone number, when you look at other ads, proves to be that of Mike Sullivan Racing. Sullivan had been racing 712M-11 [ex Jaussaud, ex colin Andrews. for Richard Robinson and Alan Jones, though he took to calling it a "722"]. I presume that this is Sullivan trying to sell that car with a photograph of someone elses! [though it might be that Sullivan had also bought the wreck from Dowell's widow to use for parts.]

Sullivan was selling because he was meant to be getting a "74B" built out of one of JAcques Coulon's 732 tubs. However, according to race reports it was the 722 which finished the 74 season, so presumably the cheque bounced on the "74B".

Bailey sold his 73B to Andy Rouse halfway through the 74 season and took over the works development Lola T360. That's why you have two adverts using pictures of Bailey cars at the same time!

Chris

Chris Townsend · 11 May 2003, 13:46 (Ref:1581336)

If you want a real bitsa March get a load of this.
This is Jim Crawford's March 73B, run by SDC Racing in 1974

Built from spares at the SDC base by Crawford over the winter of 73-74. Crawford wrote the car off in September 74. However, March facilitated a rebuild. Crawford went to the last round of the John Player series with this car rebuilt with spares - including a new tub - for a total cost of £49!
Now what chassis number would that carry?

Chris

Bryan Miller · 11 May 2003, 22:59 (Ref:1581337)

Chris, since were trading horror March stories , I have in front of me an invoice from March 15th. April 1977 to Gary Clare , inv. no. 079392 , staff sale , 1 x scrap tub , 30.00 UK. pds. plus V.A.T. of 2.40 , this is 77B-c2.
Beat that. Bryan.

Smellybeard · 29 May 2003, 14:14 (Ref:1581352)

...so where do I look for "a tub no." on a 74 1/2B? It has cast front bulkheads and rere rads but otherwise looks like a 74B.

Bryan Miller · 30 May 2003, 08:11 (Ref:1581353)

Smellybeard, under the roll over bar on the lhs should be a no.
741/2B is this what is on a chassis plate ???
Where did your car come from and when.??????????

Bryan.

Bryan Miller · 3 Jun 2003, 10:49 (Ref:1581362)

Chris , if you see the above , I have just found a Players Quebec report and grid , apart from anything else there are 11 75Bs on the grid.

Bryan.

Chris Townsend · 3 Jun 2003, 12:59 (Ref:1581363)

Bryan

Yup, 12 March 75Bs built, plus one prototype, plus at least one tub and new plate grafted onto an older car, and possible one 'special'.

The 12 'proper' cars all went to North America
3 go to Shierson for Syd Demovsky/Richard Melville/Jim Batchelor/Tom Pumpelly/Vince Muzzin and Brambilla at Trois Rivieres [this may have been a new car out of series]
1 goes to Interscope for John Woodner
1 goes to Tim Cooper
1 goes to Don Briedenbach
1 goes to who ever runs Price Cobb
2 go to who ever runs Chip Mead, and the spare is sometimes raced by Cliff Hansen
1 goes to Craig Hill [and if anyone from the Canadian Group is reading this perhaps they could help us with Craig's cars]
1 [chassis 10] goes to Bertil Roos, and he races it in UK before shipping it back to Canada
1 goes to Ecurie Canada for Villeneuve

The above is based on analysing the appearances at all the Canadian races, which, given Shierson's engine contract, allows you to identify who he entered at a particular race even when you're not told who enters a particular driver.
The only car that seems to disappear in the course of the series is Demovsky's, so I'm guessing he threw it at a wall somewhere.

Eric Kerman and Tom Crowther appear at the SCCA finals at the end of the year with 75Bs which I guess are secondhand.

The prototype:
Autosport track tests a 75B at the end of 74 - together with a 753 and 752 - so one exists. Derek Cook then appears with a 75B at Boxing Day Brands Hatch race, 1974. This should [if March followed a logical numbering on prototypes] be 75B-U1

However, 75B-U1 is allegedly the number given to Mallock's rebuild of the ex Coulon 742. Autosport records this as the chassis number when this car appears at the F2 race at Thruxton in 75. Possibly there were two U1s, or else Cook had returned his prototype [he bought a B29 at some point in 1975] and March turned it round to Mallock!

Cook's cars are a bit of a nightmare. His B29 went to Jeremy Rossiter in short order and he bought an old B27, which was, or was not, depending on who you believe, the same B27 he'd raced in 1974!
He's the father of Paula Cook [I think] who raced F3 a few years back.

Chris

Chris Townsend · 3 Jun 2003, 13:02 (Ref:1581364)

One error in that screed: For Demovsky car as written off read Briedenbach

Chris

allenbrown · 3 Jun 2003, 14:46 (Ref:1581365)

I'm in touch with Don. What do you need me to ask him?

Chris Townsend · 3 Jun 2003, 15:51 (Ref:1581366)

Allen

You mean Briedenbach?
All sorts really. What was his 75B, stuffed or sold? Who to?
Usual things concerning single seaters. What other Atlantic did he run?

Bryan Miller · 3 Jun 2003, 23:07 (Ref:1581368)

Chris,

Following is grid of Marches only , next time I post something to Allen I will send the whole report.
July 6 1975.

Gilles Villeneuve , Skiroule March 75B
Bertil Roos , Schweppes/Castrol 75B
James King , March 75B Traylor.
Vince Muzzin 75B Cosworth.
Craig Hill, Gabriel March 75B- Hart.
Jon Woodner , Interscope March 75B-Swindon.
Vern Schuppan , Rapid Movements 722/73B
Frank Delvecchio, Analube March 73B-Hart.
Chip Mead, Lambrusco March 75B-Hart.
Tom Outcault March 75B-Hart.
Tom Pumpelly, March 75B-Hart.
Peter Broeker, Stebro March 74B-Breatorex.
Charlie Gibson, March 73B -Hart.
Tim Cooper, Rutledge Oil March 75B.
Price Cobb, March 75B - Race Shop.
Cliff Hansen, March 75B Race Shop.

40 car grid.
Regards Bryan.

Bryan Miller · 3 Jun 2003, 23:25 (Ref:1581369)

Whooooooooops,
Can't type , make James King car 73B.
Sorry Bryan , had you worried but ?????????

Chris Townsend · 4 Jun 2003, 07:55 (Ref:1581373)

Bryan

Haven't seen that report, but it does confirm other sources about Cook's 75B. He then sells the B27 and the 75B and buys a B29 [29-75-29].

I'm planning to write to Cook when I've got a bit more time [in July] and see if he can help.

Chris Townsend · 5 Jun 2003, 16:52 (Ref:1581375)

Bryan

A bit more work on the '75 Canadian series yields the following more accurate allocation of March 75Bs

Ecurie Canada: 3 [Villeneuve[Skiroule]/Roos [Schweppes]/Hill [Gabriel]
Shierson: 4 John Woodner/Syd Demovsky/Richard Melville/Jim Batchelor/Cliff Hansen/Marty Loft [uses Woodner's car]/Tom Pumpelly/Vince Muzzin and Brambilla at Trois Rivieres [uses Woodner's car]
1 goes to Tim Cooper
1 goes to Don Briedenbach
1 goes to who ever runs Price Cobb
1 goes to who ever runs Chip Mead
Which is 11 of the 12 built, and the 12th car is new for Ecurie Canada for Depaillier at Trois Rivieres. Though he doesn't use it. The engine goes in the warm up on race morning and they hire Tim Cooper's car which is a DNQ

Chris

allenbrown · 5 Jun 2003, 21:33 (Ref:1581376)

Chris

I just emailed Don about the 75B.

Allen

Bryan Miller · 5 Jun 2003, 23:53 (Ref:1581377)

Chris.

Out of all that we have ,

March 75B-10 for Bertil Roos .
March 75B-8 to Shierson for?????

I see what you mean re. Derek Cook's 75B as he still has it in August 75.

Re. 75B-8 now owned as advised previously by Howard Blight in Aust. via Dave Saunders in N.Z .
I have just remembered when Gary Simkin and I rebuilt it , the front 12/18 inches of the tub were not original and a major repair had been beatifully carried out using another front bulkhead , obviously after 1 of his good shunts in N.Z. as he had another later in I think 1978.

What I am trying to say is we found ref. on the inside of one of the skins to Melville.
But Melville ran in N.Z. as well , so maybe it doesn't help.

Bryan.

Chris Townsend · 6 Jun 2003, 22:25 (Ref:1581378)

Bryan

We also have 75B-12 to Ecurie Canada for Depaillier at Trois Rivieres and then what? [This is simply because it is the 12th built, and we know about the other 11 delivered some time earlier.]

allenbrown · 8 Jun 2003, 15:32 (Ref:1581379)

Chris

Don didn't quite answer the question so I guess he doesn't remember. He did say "Yes, I have seen the car recently. It belongs to Tony Seiniger. Tim Fortner did the rebuild on the chassis. I saw the original log book that went with the car."

Hope this is helpful.

Allen

Chris Townsend · 8 Jun 2003, 17:50 (Ref:1581380)

Allen

Okay, all we need to do now is track down Tony Seiniger...

I guess the length of this thread proves that there was a lot we didn't know [and still don't!]

Chris

allenbrown · 17 Jun 2003, 10:49 (Ref:1581382)

Herewith a note from Chequered Flag May 1979 on the 1600cc cars running in the 1979 Australian Rothmans series.

Wolfgang Prejewa - March 763/76B
"leased from Andrew Miedecke, has no chassis plate or know number"

Chris Townsend · 17 Jun 2003, 11:30 (Ref:1581383)

Allen

The Prejewa car would be 77B-C1 or C2 built for Ian Grob to use in the '78 series.

The John Smith car is interesting because firstly Vercoe gives this as 91, and secondly 99 is, if F1R is to be believed, the ex Cassani F2 car. This was raced by Larry Perkins in Europe so perhaps he got to take it home with him.

Chris

allenbrown · 17 Jun 2003, 15:57 (Ref:1581384)

Chris

Vercoe right, me wrong! That should read 91 - that's how it appears in Chequered Flag, that's how I entered it in my database but somehow I hit '99' in my post.

Apologies for my carelessness.

Allen

Bryan Miller · 17 Jun 2003, 23:15 (Ref:1581385)

77B-C2 HAD NOT EVEN BEEN BUILT UP BEFORE 1980.
Ray Hanger had 77B-C1 by 1980 , but could have had it earlier, will check.

eldougo · 18 Jun 2003, 08:37 (Ref:1581386)

Chris Townsend.

The John Smith car is interesting because firstly Vercoe gives this as 91, and secondly 99 is, if F1R is to be believed, the ex Cassani F2 car. This was raced by Larry Perkins in Europe so perhaps he got to take it home with him.
________________

I don,t know the chassis number ,however Larry an myself
built it from new in 1978 an it went to N.Z. for it,s to
have it,s 1st race.It was orange / red in colour.A good
car, the current chassis is the 4th one built under that
number. DOUG

Bryan Miller · 14 Jul 2003, 23:05 (Ref:1581387)

Chris,

March 74B-1 , the Wella Wenz car , with the ref. I advised from the sales list to , Planner.
A/Sport Jan. 2 1975 , p51 .
For sale above car with photo, contact is,

Planners International Ltd.
47 Curzon st. London ,W1Y 7RE.
These people may have been some sort of marketing agency handling the Wella account, and as such were the people directly dealing with March etc.
I wonder if the sale of the Lola used by Wenz in 1975 is recorded by Lola to custmer Planner as well.
Anyway this clears up another little mystery.
Bryan.

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