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Old 30 Aug 2010, 16:11 (Ref:2752306)   #76
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Viana and Bianco both present - Bianco racing for Alfa Romeo.

Look for retired entry #81. Roffino Fontes mentioned as an South African. Around this time he raced a Group A GTV in the Portugese saloon car championship and was/is likely Portugese. Can't find the Vila Real-site for now, but this site has a few pictures from Rufino Fontes' Portugese exploitations.

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PS! Here's the Portugese link: http://cvc4.no.sapo.pt/1983.htm
There are a few pics of the Fontes car a couple of pages back-apparently, I found something on an Alfa Forum which suggested it was an ex-Luigi Racing chassis from 1982. Whatever, it still seems to be around in original condition
http://www.alfanord.pt/pages/290/_46b33f9d78a81.jpg

Some nice 1983 pics from the site you found
http://cvc4.no.sapo.pt/images/1983/MJ83.2.jpg
http://cvc4.no.sapo.pt/images/1983/MJ83.1.jpg
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Old 31 Aug 2010, 12:52 (Ref:2752696)   #77
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Lovely pics there, thanks for the links you two!!

Couple of points to consider perhaps: the series that 745 Bimmer competed in, was that entered in the main South African Saloon series that later became Super Touring?

I do recall the Sierra XR8's and Alfa's also looking fairly 'standard' compared to say, the big banger Wesbank silhouette racers which I'm sure were a separate class.. I'm guessing that this series was a kind of Group 1/Group A mongrel?

I don't think the GTV6 was ever sold with the 3-litre lump in Europe as production vehicle. IIRC it was a South African and possibly American thing? Some people over here did get hold of one or two and some people converted their 2.5 litre cars to take the engine - not sure if it was simply a case of taking one engine out and sticking the bigger one in though!

The guy who bought mine planned to do exactly that despite me politely pleading with him to leave it 'original'!
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Lovely pics there, thanks for the links you two!!

Couple of points to consider perhaps: the series that 745 Bimmer competed in, was that entered in the main South African Saloon series that later became Super Touring?

I do recall the Sierra XR8's and Alfa's also looking fairly 'standard' compared to say, the big banger Wesbank silhouette racers which I'm sure were a separate class.. I'm guessing that this series was a kind of Group 1/Group A mongrel?

I don't think the GTV6 was ever sold with the 3-litre lump in Europe as production vehicle. IIRC it was a South African and possibly American thing? Some people over here did get hold of one or two and some people converted their 2.5 litre cars to take the engine - not sure if it was simply a case of taking one engine out and sticking the bigger one in though!

The guy who bought mine planned to do exactly that despite me politely pleading with him to leave it 'original'!
Yes, I'm pretty sure it was the local equivalent of Group 1/Group A

The 3-litre GTV seems to have been pretty much a South African-only thing, built in small numbers in South Africa- around 200 which seems to have been the magic number for homologation locally.

http://www.alfagtv6.com/gtv6_30.htm

I won't swear to it, but possibly Europe didn't get the 3-litre until the 164 and 75 were introduced around 1987
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I should have a 1985 TT report which might shed a bit more light on the South African drivers
Took a look at the TT reports in both Autosport and Motor Racing, but they don't shed a lot more light on the South Africans in the Drury Alfa at the TT

They both confirm that TDR regular Mark Hales also drove the GTV6 in qualifying, but not in the race- in fact he actually qualified the car, being a couple of seconds quicker than the South Africans:

Autosport: 'Of note further down the order was the performance of Mark Hales who qualified the Terry Drury Racing GTV6 for South African drivers Charles Brittz and Peter Lanz. Mark ran over 2 secs faster than the others, but was not to start....money talks.'

'Motor Racing' confirms that the car (and the Viana/Bianco Sytner BMW) was sponsored by 'Scope' and that Hales qualified it 24th overall /10th in class, fastest of the 3 drivers, but didn't race.

Hales was also entered in Geoff Kimber-Smith's Corolla with GK-S and Peter Buxtorf (qualifying this car as well), but according to Autosport he didn't get to race the Toyota either (it retired)

Not only that, but he was also nominated as a last-minute substitute on race morning for Luigi Alfa driver Pedro Meireles, taken to hospital with a liver problem on race morning. However, in the end, Bernard de Dryver was seconded into the Meireles/Melville car after his own retired early in the race, and Hales missed out on this drive as well!
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Yes, I'm pretty sure it was the local equivalent of Group 1/Group A

The 3-litre GTV seems to have been pretty much a South African-only thing, built in small numbers in South Africa- around 200 which seems to have been the magic number for homologation locally.

http://www.alfagtv6.com/gtv6_30.htm

I won't swear to it, but possibly Europe didn't get the 3-litre until the 164 and 75 were introduced around 1987
The Alfa Romeo GTV 3 litre was created out of the intensely competitive Group 1 racing in South Africa during the 1980s between Alfa Romeo and BMW. This project was spurred on by the enthusiastic Dr. Vito Bianco, who by that time was MD of Alfa Romeo South Africa (ARSA), and Sampie Bosman, a racing expert in charge of the Alfa Romeo racing department.
During 1982 and 1983, the GTV6 2.5 litre was a match for the BMW 525 and 530cars and won more races than it lost, but with the arrival of the BMW 535, with a litre more engine capacity and 70 bhp advantage over the GTV6 2.5 litre, a solution was needed to maintain superiority.
The enlarged Autodelta 3 litre engine had been built using the standard 2.5 aluminium block for use in a rally car, which ran with some success in European rallies, but plans to increase the 2.5 engine to 3 litres for production GTV6 cars had been shelved, because it would have placed the car into a higher tax bracket in Europe. Also, Alfa were already dominating the ETCC, winning the manufacturers titles from 1982 to 1985 with GTV6 2.5 litre cars, so a bigger capacity engine was not a priority for racing purposes. However, in South Africa that was not the case, and ARSA made an independent agreement with Autodelta, who began manufacturing the parts needed for the capacity increase - crankshafts, pistons, sleeves, cylinder head castings and bigger valves, all of which were made to the Sampie Bosman ARSA specifications. At first the engine work was carried out by Autodelta in Italy but due to the aggressive schedule, a team of technicians were sent to join ARSA personnel in South Africa, where the machining of the blocks and cylinder heads and most importantly, the development and tuning of the engine was carried out. The new crank gave a stroke of 72 mm, against the 68.3 of the smaller engine. The bore was increased from 88 to 93 mm. giving a capacity of 2934cc. This is slightly different to the configuration of the later 3.0 litre V6 produced by Alfa in 1987 for the 75, which had a bore x stroke of 93 x 72.6, giving a 2959cc capacity. The power output from the Autodelta engine was initially 192bhp, but was successively increased to 240bhp with increased valve sizes and continuous improvements to the inlet and exhaust tracts. For comparison, the original 2.5 V6 engine produced 160bhp and the later Alfa 3.0 V6 produced 188bhp. The Autodelta GTV6 also had a weight reduction of almost 100 kg over the 2.5 litre model. For racing, low and medium range torque was more important than top end power, so six Dell’Orto FRPA40 down-draught carburettors were installed, rather than the fuel injection used in the standard 2.5 litre V6. The series 1 Alfa 90 (1979) saloon had used a similar induction system, until replaced by fuel injection for the series 2 version (1983). This configuration was selected because air and fuel-flow modifications, essential for the large altitude differences between the various race circuits in South Africa were easier to accomplish.
200 were required for homolgation, but informed estimates for the actual numbers made vary from "less than 200" to 242. Very few original examples still exist, but I was fortunate enough to import one to the UK earlier this year. It will be on The Alfa Romeo Owners Club stand at the Classic Car Show at the NEC next month - Come along and say 'Hello'

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another resurrection sorry.........i'm currently running a GTV6 in North West Sprints/Hillclimbs. It has previously raced in many Championships with Championship wins and higlighted wins at Spa and Nurbering, AROC, ARCA, BRSCC, CSCC (future classics) and now ANWCC & L&CMC Speed Championships.

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Nice shots!

That black #33 car definitely looks like an ex Group A car. Any idea on who was driving it in these pics and where he got it from?

The other cars, red one alongside the 33 in one shot and then the others 3 with bulbous arches etc, look older. They must be 2.0 Alfetta GTV's I would think?
it is the third of the network alfa cars built out of the wreck of the lhd car bought in to Australia and raced by allan jones.
it is now back in it's works "ignis" colours as seen in the add posted earlier in the thread
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South African GTV6 3 litre Group 1 racers

Can anybody suggest a source for the racing results of these cars in the South African Group1 races during the 1980s please?
In 1983 the 'standard' 2.5 litre cars raced in 1983, with the successful debut of the Autodelta-engined 3 litre version in September that year at Kyalami.
In 1984 and 1985 the cars won the Championship, but I'm struggling to fine even a list of these events, let alone the entry lists and results. If anyone has these, or knows someone who may be able to help me, I'd be most grateful for the information.
Last year I imported one of the 200 of these cars made (OK, maybe 213 to 230-ish) and am trying to piece together a complete history of these magnificant homologation specials, before it is too late.
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Just dug out the 85 and 86 Bathurst annuals for details of the Australian GTV6s. If I've read this correctly, there were 4 Group A cars:
  1. Network Alfa (official Alfa Romeo Australia entry). RHD. Built 1984 as a Group E Production racer for Colin Bond, converted to Group A for Bathurst 84, and used by Bond in the 1985 ATCC, in yellow 'Montrose Wines' livery. Sold to Sydney exotic car specialists 'The Toy Shop', then reappeared as Network Alfa's 2nd car for Bathurst 86, in blue 'Pye' colours for car owner Warwick Rooklyn and Lucio Cesario
  2. Network Alfa. Yellow 'Ignis' livery. LHD Ex-Luigi Racing car imported for the 1985 ATCC- raced by Alan Jones in the early season rounds, then used by Bond/Gregg Hansford in the endurance races, and Bathurst (8th o/a and class win). Written off at Surfers Paradise a month or so later.
  3. Network Alfa. Yellow 'Ignis' livery. RHD Replacement car for the 1986 season, built up from a new shell and what could be salvaged from the Luigi car. Used by Bond in the '86 ATCC and Bond/Peter Fitzgerald at Bathurst http://www.racingheritage.com.au/1020.aspx
  4. Ray Gulson- RHD, originally an Alfa Romeo Australia test car, then raced at two Bathursts in Group C form by Canberra Alfa dealer Gulson. Converted to Group A, and had 3 further Bathurst starts for Gulson 1984-6. Black/Red/Yellow 'Dulux Autocolours/The Battery Factory' colours. Think this been mentioned several times in the 'Group A/C- Where are they now?' thread on the Aussie tourers part of the forum- recently advertised: for sale http://www.racingheritage.com.au/1016.aspx
I've now compiled the history of the Gulson car, more to add but it's a good start.

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The last ARDT/John West GTV6 appearance before the 75 took over, the Donington ETCC race in '86, was done using the Kirby car, which was subsequently sold on, passing through the hands of Peter Hilliard, Vic Woods and Chris Snowdon who campaigned it in the AROC series

http://www.gtv6-156gta.be/GTV6course...oItaliaNr7.pdf

So we've traced it to 1996, any ideas after that?

I think the car is here, along with a couple of other interesting Alfettas:


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Back to the portuguese GTV6:

This is Rufino Fontes, in 1983, the first year he raced it. He was Gr.A champion that year! I believe this is the Luigi car.



























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Just reviving this one- looks like after it's BTCC career was over, one of the Drury cars was heavily chopped about to become a Thundersaloon.

Apparently, the remains turned up in an Essex barn a few years ago, and the shell has been rebuilt into this beast, with a 400bhp 3.8l V6 for Alfa club racing...
http://www.realtimeperformance.co.uk...d=27&Itemid=54
Just reviving this thread for no other reason than I like Alfas!

The green car in this link is still about and races in the CSCC Special Saloons and Modsports revival series; I think it also races in the ARCA Alfa series, too.

As an aside, the MSA has approved classes for pre 1990 and pre 1986 cars in its Historic Tarmac Rally Championship for 2016, run by the Roger Albert Clark Rally Club. I think that the 2 litre Alfetta GTs and the Alfa GTV6 were pretty successful on Tar in Europe in Group 2 and then Group A form and it would be wonderful to see such cars rallied in this series in the UK; not sure there are many about, though, unless someone brings one over from Europe. It would be a nice change from hordes of Escorts!

And in another bit of trivia only loosely connected to this topic, the car in my avatar is an ex Works Toyota Carina that I raced in cscc Tin Tops for a while (now sold) but it was originally raced by Julian Bailey in NZ before being imported to the UK for Barry Barnes to race in the UK National Saloon Car Cup in the late 1990s.

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Couldn’t resist joining after seeing this thread, I do have this car in my garage and it is currently being refreshed for some more club racing. The car originally came into my possession in a bit of a sorry state but is in good shape now. The car came with Paul Smith’s ECU as pretty much the only identification of driver. However, it was fitted with an aluminium cage and evidence of plenty of jacking manoeuvres to the underside. Recently I found some yellow paint on the car which didn’t make a lot of sense. But then I recently saw a photo of a car run by Charles Brittz in the 1985 Silverstone Tourist Trophy race in the Alfa Romeo Owners Club magazine. I noticed that this car shared the same steering wheel and dashboard as mine. So it may be the case that Charles Brittz ran the car briefly after Paul Smith before it was turned into a thunder saloon. I have spoken to Terry Drury on the subject but all this happened a quite long time ago now and he was fairly sure that if the car had the Paul Smith ECU then it was Paul Smiths.

The car now is a far cry from the group A car that it originally was but in return it can give a good account of itself in club racing (so long as its dry) and I do still have all the bits to convert it back. Chris Snowdon helped me with building the car and his assistance was invaluable. Speaking of Chris I notice that there was a question raised earlier on in this thread about the Rob Kirby car that Chris owned. Basically the car was damaged in a qualifying session by Gerry Oddams at Castle Coomb I think. It was subsequently sold to Will Winterton who had it rebuilt by Chris Snowdon. As far as I am aware Will still has the car but it hasn’t seen the track to my knowledge since about 2001. When I last saw the car it was in good order.
Bit of a thread revival here! im trying to trace the ex rob Kirby gtv6 shell, as mentioned here currently owned by will winterton? Can anyone shed any light on this subject!!! We have always been in the understanding that the shell was written off. But this seems it may not be the case.

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Bit of a thread revival here! im trying to trace the ex rob Kirby gtv6 shell, as mentioned here currently owned by will winterton? Can anyone shed any light on this subject!!! We have always been in the understanding that the shell was written off. But this seems it may not be the case.

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Interesting are you and dad trying to source the shell to rebuild the Salmon Can GTV6?
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A brief history in pics of the ex-Ray Gulson car....
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Whilst i'm looking for the 75 thread pics have turned up recently of the almost fully restored ARDT 75! Looking forward to seeing that out there next year.
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There are 2 GTV6s in the entry list at present - Paul Clayson and Ian Guest/Chris Snowdon - along with this forum's Peter Mallett in the Rover, of course!

I suspect the GTV6s will be a bit quicker than our 75V6 will be a few weeks later when we race there with CSCC.
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There are 2 GTV6s in the entry list at present - Paul Clayson and Ian Guest/Chris Snowdon - along with this forum's Peter Mallett in the Rover, of course!

I suspect the GTV6s will be a bit quicker than our 75V6 will be a few weeks later when we race there with CSCC.
Paul's pres the Jolly Club Apilatte replica that Chris beautifully created?

I'm guessing the Guest/Snowdon entry is the very car I mentioned because i'm sure Chris told me at Donington in spring that they had a Luigi car in prep and that the red car was a kind of stop gap until it was ready?
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