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Old 30 Mar 2021, 23:25 (Ref:4043994)   #16
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@JHamilton, Forgot to say in Aus the Monaro the GTO is spawned from is becoming quite a collectors piece..... this quick search of the local online car sales site shows prices up to $185,000 for a no miles unused stored manual transmission 5.7 litre version.
The cheapest is at just about $50,000 with close to 250,000 klms on it.
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/hol...ries/?offset=0
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Old 1 Apr 2021, 01:58 (Ref:4044131)   #17
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Looks like an Australian car to me..... (A rebadged Holden Monaro) Were the GTO's made for the US in Aus or local in the US?
Does the GTO use the same (year dependant) LS1 5.7 / LS2 6.0litre engine as the Monaro did? I think here the change over year was 2005.
I love these things because they are a confluence of my two favorite brands. I've always loved Pontiacs and being from Georgia, it is no coincidence that I have a black one. Holden built the best American cars in the world for a couple decades.

They were all made in Elizabeth, South Australia on the same assembly line. They moved the fuel tank of all of them into the trunk or boot for American regulations. Same goes for the Pontiac G8 and Chevy SS which were Commodores. I only found out after they stopped making the SS that you could have it badged as a Holden as an $1,100 option.

The 2004 has the V2 Monaro body style with a flat hood, exhaust on the left side, and the LS1. 2005 got the hood scoops, true dual exhaust, bigger brakes, and the LS2. 2006 changed the tail lights and it got faster seat motors for access to the back and wow I am a massive dweeb and you're probably sorry you asked.

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@JHamilton, Forgot to say in Aus the Monaro the GTO is spawned from is becoming quite a collectors piece..... this quick search of the local online car sales site shows prices up to $185,000 for a no miles unused stored manual transmission 5.7 litre version.
The cheapest is at just about $50,000 with close to 250,000 klms on it.
https://www.carsales.com.au/cars/hol...ries/?offset=0
Unfortunately, that's not the case here. They are more of an oddity. A nice, low miles, LS2 GTO will go for $15-20,000 - Decent money for a 15 year old Pontiac but nothing like the Monaros. I think because C5 Corvettes are so affordable and parts for the GTO (outside of the drivetrain) are really expensive and rare.

edit - I have a factory Holden center gauge pod (GTOs didn't have this or auto climate control) that a company called JHP in Melbourne would modify for left hand drive. You could get new gauges to change the oil pressure to PSI but I left mine in Bar. That is quite rare and sought after now.

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Old 1 Apr 2021, 03:05 (Ref:4044135)   #18
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edit - I have a factory Holden center gauge pod (GTOs didn't have this or auto climate control) that a company called JHP in Melbourne would modify for left hand drive. You could get new gauges to change the oil pressure to PSI but I left mine in Bar. That is quite rare and sought after now.
I know of JHP.... they are on my side of town and offer a lot of bolt on performance goodies for all brands.

'Twas a sad day when Holden ceased to exist an a manufacturer. Of course we have had huge money paid for 'the last one made' and other rarities. We even had a one off one of four HSV GTSR W1 Maloo Ute' sell at auction for over 1 million!

A Commodore SS-V Redline sedan was the final Holden production car to be allocated a serial / VIN number. That went for 750K.
Crazy prices. Auction / car details and pics of what was sold:
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...ion-at-auction

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Old 1 Apr 2021, 07:42 (Ref:4044153)   #19
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Old 20 Apr 2021, 10:32 (Ref:4046856)   #20
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Most of my cars have been bland and/or downright awful. Ones that come to mind are:

2002 Nissan Almera 1.5 van - truly an uninspiring drive made all the more complicated by the fact that I made a rookie mistake of trusting the seller to post the logbook without getting any details (met him in a conspicuous rural car park). Lost contact with the seller and couldn't tax the car as a result. It didn't last long.

2002 Opel Combo van - it was driven into the ground and billowing black smoke but I didn't want to return home empty handed after travelling across the country to buy it. The smoke used to enter the cabin through a grate in the floor (it was previously used by Guinness so I guess the grate was for air circulation or something?) and one would often feel dizzy after a few minutes of exposure.

But, there were a handful of decent motors along the way:

1991 VW Jetta - Probably my favourite for its retro appeal, lowered stance and BBS alloys. It also had a 1.9TDi AAZ engine put into it which gave it more grunt than the original 1.6 straight diesel would have. Escalating insurance costs meant I had to sell it after a year.

1995 Fiat Cinquecento - a very fun car which I bought for buttons as a run-around when I didn't want to use my work-van (Renault Master). It got burned out within 24 hours of purchasing.

2003 Alfa Romeo 156 Sportwagon - really nice to drive and to look at. I had it for about 8 or 9 months then the clutch failed and was going to cost an absolute bomb to fix. I got a quick job done on it (didn't replace the dual mass flywheel) and then promptly swapped it for something cheap and reliable with the disclaimer about the clutch.

Currently driving a 2004 Suzuki Liana. It's definitely one of the most vanilla cars I've ever driven especially in my hilly locality. But, it's bulletproof reliability and for someone with low income and the need of a reliable car on a daily basis, I have to live within my means for the moment!
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Old 20 Apr 2021, 15:32 (Ref:4046897)   #21
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I had a Lotus Elan M100 in my 20s. Condemned as the front-wheel drive lotus, I thought it was a great car. Never put me anywhere near a hedge, utterly reliable (Isuzu engine) and I loved the shape.
Criminally undervalued until recently too (all IMHO obviously!).

It was sold for a Renault Megane. Oh, the joys of becoming a responsible parent!
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Old 27 Apr 2021, 19:37 (Ref:4048157)   #22
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Having owned Mini Coopers & 'S's (mk 1 & 2s) plus Pug 205, 309 & 306 GTI, Golf mk2 GTI, Alfa Sud & 105 coupe & saloons & now an Audi A2 FSI, plus a lot more mundane cars, the answer is weight (or lack of) ..... all heavyweight cars are flawed as soon as you show them a corner !!!

300 plus hp & 1500 kg plus, is never goimg to be any fun other than in a straight line & anyone can push the loud pedal in that situation.

Lose the weight & get some excitement back into your life !!
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Old 27 Apr 2021, 20:30 (Ref:4048163)   #23
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Martin, if I didn't know better, I would wholeheartedly agree with you. However, when I was much, much younger, a friend of mine was a driver for a rather well off gentleman who owned a newish Bentley saloon.

The owner permitted this friend to borrow the car when it was not required by the family, and our friend would often join in our fast driving pursuits around the roads of North London. At that time we had an assortment of cars including my Escort GT, a hot Imp, a Cooper S and a 1500 Anglia plus other such vehicles. And none of us could keep up with the Bentley especially around corners and bends.The road holding of this heavy car was absolutely phenomenal, and so hard to believe, and with very little roll to boot.
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Old 28 Apr 2021, 00:21 (Ref:4048179)   #24
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1988 Jeep CJ7 - This was my dad's vehicle, it is still working.

2002 Mitsubishi Montero - My dad sells it so that I and my sister can go to college.

2012 Chevrolet Silverado 3500HD - It took a while for me and my siblings to save for this truck so we can give it to our Dad. Recently, I avail a new set of
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2015 Subaru Outback - This SUV is my daily driver to work and other stuff.
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Old 28 Apr 2021, 15:08 (Ref:4048293)   #25
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Ok, my car history and basic assessment of each:

1) Vauxhall Nova saloon:
A total shed. 1 litre of leaf green old man car (with matching green interior). The drivers door could be unlocked by putting your hand through the rust hole and yanking the mechanism. The drivers side window would drop into the door if you went over a bump too fast. The first stereo expired in a cloud of smoke, the second would randomly set itself to full volume as you were driving - the only way to get it to sort itself out was to jiggle the volume knob until the decided it was ok again. The drivers side windscreen wiper stopped working, the passenger side wing mirror fell off on the motorway. If it was wet you had to take the distributor cap off and dry the inside of it before the car would start. It finally met its end when someone pulled out in front of me on a main road and took out basically the entire passenger side (the door was ripped off its hinges but wedged firmly in the opening, rear seat was punched inwards and upwards, rear wheel at a jaunty angle).

Bloody loved that car. It was utter crap in every way you looked at it - but it was my first car - and represented freedom - me and my friends could now pile into the car and off we'd go - the world was our oyster. For the memories alone it was great

2) Vauxhall Nova hatchback:
Following the demise of Nova 1 I bought Nova 2 - a cunning plan as I'd salvaged what I could from number 1 and now had a pile of bits in my parents garage. Over the years with number 2 I managed to make use of quite a few of them. The 1400 engine in number 2 was a nice step forward but it refused to idle when cold so I'd have to sit with my foot on the throttle until it warmed up a bit - never did get to the bottom of that.

3) Peugeot 306 Dturbo:
I'd been at work for a few years and could now afford something half sensible - so chopped in Nova 2 against a 306. Fantastic car - when I bought it there were 20K miles on the clock, when I sold it there were 190K on the clock. In between times it had been crashed into twice (neither time was I moving ) and the result of that was the front end really wasn't straight anymore, tyres would scrub out the inside edge in about 5K miles. On the whole though it was a great car, loved driving it - superb handling, enough power/torque to be fun, lift off oversteer on demand for grins (and brown trousers the first time). Utterly bulletproof reliability - other than servicing the only time it needed anything doing was a battery (ignoring the accident rebuilds obviously!).

4)Renault Clio:
My wifes car at the time we got together. Dreadful in every possible way. I had to have the seat as far back as it would go so the pedals were a comfortable distance away - which meant that the gearstick was now uncomfortably far forward. My head also smacked against the roof (the edge of the sunroof opening) when you went over a bump. It permanently felt like it was driving on ice. Hateful car.

5) Skoda Fabia Vrs:
I got this to replace the 306 - similar idea really, diesel (for the mileage I was doing) and fun. A great car to blat along the lanes on my route to work, punchy, handled well and stopped well. The only thing that let it down over it's lifetime was reliability - turbo failure, turbo pipe failure, head gasket failure. In the end it had to go (at just under 150K miles) as it was heading into big repair territory again.

6) Honda FRV:
The family bus. A bit of an oddball - 6 seater (2 rows of 3). Great when the boy was young as he'd sit in the front with us. Dog in the boot, stuff in the middle. Still got it now (on 150K) - put a shed in it to go to the tip on Monday. It's been a real workhorse, great on the motorway, dreadful on the lanes - you simply cannot hustle in this car - poor brakes, understeer like you wouldn't believe. Zero fun. Can't complain though - it's very much done the job we bought it for. Was warned that "it's starting to get a bit scabby" underneath, the clutch is failing and the exhaust isn't going to last long - so it's days are numbered.

7) MINI Cooper D :
My wife's current car - in theory it's in the mould of the Fabia/306. The reality is I hate it. The engine has the narrowest power band of anything I've ever driven, there are 6 gears and you're only ever in the right one for about 5 seconds, the handling is odd bordering on evil. It's got just over 60K on it now and it's had to have a new dual mass flywheel and clutch as well as new shock absorbers all round. So unpleasant to drive and unreliable/expensive to maintain - as an introduction to the work of BMW it's eliminated them from any future purchase.

8) ???????
The time is approaching to replace the FRV - I'm thinking estate, petrol - current favourites are Golf/Leon/Octavia (essentially the same thing in different clothing). Anything else I should consider? Not an SUV.
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1) My first car was a pea green Standard 10 (VWK994) bought from a neighbour for £15.00 when I was 16, hoping to make it road-worthy for when I was 17. That didn't happen, I scrapped it!
2) My next car was a pale green 1964 Ford Corsair 1500 which I bought from an older fellow apprentice for £40.00 with a short MOT. This appealed as it had 5½J steel wheels and looked quite sporty. This proved to be too rotten to pass the MOT so I scrapped that too (something about green cars?), but not before removing the engine, gearbox, wheels & a few other bits with a view to my next purchase.
3) This was a 1966 Ford Anglia 1200 Estate which the wheels went straight on to. I thrashed that car everywhere and carried out lots of modifications to it including fitting a Cortina GT lookalike fibreglass dashboard with lots of extra gauges. I never had the nerve/money for the extra insurance to fit the 1500vcc Corsair engine but after knocking the bottom end out of 3 1200 engines, fitted a 5 main bearing 1300 pre-crossflow engine which looked the same as the 1200 externally.
4) My first Vauxhall, an 1156cc HB Viva bought from our apprentice training officer with a view to doing up and selling at a profit. This also proved to have a strong appetite for big-end bearings (nothing to do with my driving style obviously), which in the end a mate & I could whip out the engine and change in 45 minutes from driving on & off our drive!
5) Now we're talking, car No 5 was a 1968 Vauxhall Viva GT (as pictured) which I adored. Eventually painted Silver (to look the same as Gerry Marshall's old racing car) and fitted with a set of alloy wheels from a Jensen Healey. I loved that car and did a number of modifications to it to help it stand up to abuse it got. It was also a great car for towing when I started racing an 850 Mini Se7en.
6) Now I was into my Mini's I bought 2 cars from work colleagues because I had a plan, a 1971 Austin 1300 GT and a 1982 Mini Clubman Traveller which already had an 1100cc engine fitted. I rebuilt the 1300GT engine to a higher state of tune and fitted that to the Traveller along with the larger front disc brakes that were fitted to the 127GT Mini when it had the larger 12" wheels & Dunlop Denovo tyres. (To accommodate the brakes I also fitted 12" Hillman Imp wheels which had the same stud pattern). This was deceptively quick road car and also a very capable tow vehicle too, although not really heavy enough to safely tow my Mini which was also loaded with all of my spare wheels etc. Luckily I survived a couple of very scary moments doing that without coming to any harm.
7) Next I had a job with a company van and had decided to give up on my racing career (after an accident) and didn't have a road car whilst searching for my next project. This was a very rare 1974 Vauxhall Droop Snoot Firenza, one of my reasons for buying this was that it was supposed to be faster than my mates RS2000! Another car I loved and (luckily) enjoyed working on. This was finally written off on my way home from work when I was hit head-on by an old boy who jumped a red traffic light driving a Mk 111 Escort (which he drove away afterwards!
8) After that I had an Astra GTE, a 1987 325 Sport BMW and a later 325 4 door which I had to sell to gain funds for a house deposit as I was getting married. Purely by coincidence (I'm sure) this also brought the end to me owning 'interesting' cars...
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