How to fix F1?

[wnut]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Then where is the active suspension?

What v8 Fireworks means is they went from springs and bars to the much more advanced active suspension, and then the muppets of FOM took the formula back to springs and bars, i.e. living in the past.

F1 consistently lives in the past, unless pursuing someone's agenda when they claim they cannot unwind what they have learnt, yet they do it all the time with a couple of strokes of a pen!

[bathurst77]

Originally Posted by Racer65

Why make qualifying anymore important than it already is by attaching points to it? Points for fastest laps would just see people in 14th or 15th making a pit stop for ultra softs 3 laps from the end.

I love the idea of mid field and back markers suddenly going for broke and adding some excitement

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by bathurst77

I love the idea of mid field and back markers suddenly going for broke and adding some excitement

They used to that.

[jimclark]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

They used to that.

I be used to that too....


edit: I'm sorry. Correction. I is used to that too.

[V8 Fireworks]

So pretty!

The rear wheels and tyres have already been restored to nearly exactly '92 size (~400mm tyre on 13"x17" wide rim).

So the next step is just to make the front tyres narrower and slightly smaller in diameter, make the rear wing taller, front wing narrower, increase the overall width back to 2.15m and instate a maximum car length to re-acheive iconic F1 proportions!

[jimclark]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

So pretty!


So the next step is just to make the front tyres narrower and slightly smaller in diameter, make the rear wing taller, front wing narrower, increase the overall width back to 2.15m and instate a maximum car length to re-acheive iconic F1 proportions!

Don't forget permanent removal of all those unsightly aero doos and dads (doodads).

edit: May as well share it with everybody. 'Good read on reactive/active suspension: https://www.racefans.net/2007/05/17/...ve-suspension/

[S griffin]

Good those were simple looking, but effective F1 cars

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

They used to that.

That should have read, "They used to do that".

[chavez]

Originally Posted by Racer65

Why make qualifying anymore important than it already is by attaching points to it? Points for fastest laps would just see people in 14th or 15th making a pit stop for ultra softs 3 laps from the end.

Did that happen when a point was previously paid for fastest lap?

[E.B]

Originally Posted by chavez

Did that happen when a point was previously paid for fastest lap?

Point for fastest lap was last paid in 1959, so no, drivers did not have the option of qualifying type tyres then. Whether in those days anyone stopped late for new tyres to get a point for fastest lap I am unaware. I suspect not given the time taken for such a stop with wheel hammers etc. Losing laps for a possible chance of a fastest lap might have not been considered I feel.

In addition with the advent of constructor points only the drivers received a point for a fastest lap.

[helgi]

Just drop that TV-show and bring back sports solution, when FIA only blessing to name a race like Grand Prix. All the organisation work and questions of entry lists - under the rule of local autoclubs. FIA mandates safety measures and transparent cost-cap only. No team is forced to enter all GPs. Entry lists on race-by-race basis. Companies can sell their chassis. This will open the road for young talents (teams) to shine.
But, of course, this will never happen, as F1 (as GPs known now) should be "a pinnacle, an unique, prestigious, marvellous show and so on". Advertising rules the world unfortunately. Deal with it and watch what they've got.

[johnpage]

Make the drivers pay for the front wings that they destroy AND ban replacement wings during the race---------continue with whatever is left after you've damaged it.
It was far more interesting when the cars were less reliable!
It would also be far more interesting if the rules were not so restrictive.

[chunder]

Needs root and branch change

At the moment it is dominated by money, manufacturers and rights.

They should change to fans, racing and spectacle. And the above three should be removed as much as possible

[EffectiveSprinkles]

"Fans" as a group don't exist. Trying to cater to them will always always work out for the worst. And spectacle? This is racing, that's the spectacle in itself.

[chunder]

But there isnt any, really. Is there.

[EffectiveSprinkles]

There is, but you're correct in that the majority of people who watch F1 do not do so because they like or want to see racing. And that includes you, apparently.

[Aysedasi]

An old circular argument. Whose definition of 'racing' are we plumping for this time?

[EffectiveSprinkles]

The one where there is no spectactle but someone watches it anyway while still complaining about the lack of spectacle... or something.

[jimclark]

May I have an order of fries with that piano?

[wnut]

Originally Posted by EffectiveSprinkles

There is, but you're correct in that the majority of people who watch F1 do not do so because they like or want to see racing. And that includes you, apparently.

So why on earth do they watch F1?

[jimclark]

Originally Posted by EffectiveSprinkles

And spectacle? This is racing, that's the spectacle in itself.

Absolutely. A voice of reason. Hallelujah! or ('whichever 'you're fancy)

And, it's the pinnacle. So, even more so!

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by EffectiveSprinkles

"Fans" as a group don't exist. Trying to cater to them will always always work out for the worst. And spectacle? This is racing, that's the spectacle in itself.

Of course fans as a group exist. What about the Tifosi? The only time it doesn't work out for them, is when Ferrari don't win.

[E.B]

Fans as a group don't exist? What a strange statement.

Surely we at 10/10 as a group are fans. Otherwise we would not be here. I come here because I am a fan and to share opinion (whether I agree with that opinion or not) with a group of other fans of varying degrees..

Further to BJ's Tifosi point I imagine the Director of Ferrari Merchandising might feel he is marketing to a strong and widespread (geographically) group of fans. A group of fans who spend many hundreds of millions of dollars per year (474 million according business insider) as a group of fans on merchandise in an ever increasing tailor made chain of outlets to service their sizeable group of fans.

[Oldtony]

Originally Posted by E.B

Fans as a group don't exist? What a strange statement.

a group of fans on merchandise in an ever increasing tailor made chain of outlets to service their sizeable group of fans.

Ah! The scream of the V12 door chime when you enter the merchandise shop at Modena


You are right EB, although fans tend to think of themselves as fans of a marque or a driver rather than of F1 as a whole.
Or in the case of nerds like me as fans of a designer or team principal.

[jimclark]

Originally Posted by Oldtony

You are right EB, although fans tend to think of themselves as fans of a marque or a driver rather than of F1 as a whole.
Or in the case of nerds like me as fans of a designer or team principal.

Stick me on that list, sort of....the sport as a whole. In my case it's all of the teams and drivers and their hard work.

My only driver and team/principal left me too soon. '68 and '82. (I know the name had a short lived resurrection but 't'wasn't Colin's Team Lotus.....)