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Old 18 Oct 2017, 22:00 (Ref:3774933)   #201
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I see they consider TCR a feeder series to the BTCC. Guess it has it’s place in this country
In the same way you have both DTM and TCR in Germany - although whether DTM can be seen as touring cars could be debated...
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Old 19 Oct 2017, 07:59 (Ref:3774982)   #202
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The thing is, I dont think the BTCC cars will be all that much quicker than TCR.
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Old 19 Oct 2017, 08:29 (Ref:3774985)   #203
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In the same way you have both DTM and TCR in Germany - although whether DTM can be seen as touring cars could be debated...
Ha, and TCR is definitely not a feeder series to that, far too amateur.
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Old 19 Oct 2017, 11:19 (Ref:3775010)   #204
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The thing is, I dont think the BTCC cars will be all that much quicker than TCR.
I've been led to believe that TCR cars aren't that challenging to drive. Where BTCC NGTC cars look a real handful and the drivers all talk about a very narrow window you have to operate in to get them to work. I guess you could say that's where the progression would be? Strange that there is no difference in ultimate pace though I agree.
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Old 19 Oct 2017, 12:29 (Ref:3775023)   #205
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I've been led to believe that TCR cars aren't that challenging to drive. Where BTCC NGTC cars look a real handful and the drivers all talk about a very narrow window you have to operate in to get them to work. I guess you could say that's where the progression would be? Strange that there is no difference in ultimate pace though I agree.
I do think the NGTC cars will be a bit faster, though not sure by how much. I guess a lot of it comes down to how good the tyres are relative to each other. For example, the current super tourers in the historic series are about 3-5 seconds a lap slower than the cars that ran in-period, and the majority of that is down to the tyres.
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Old 19 Oct 2017, 17:07 (Ref:3775071)   #206
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Stuart Lines posted on Facebook a while back that they did 1.12 ish testing at Donington in a TCR car on old tyres. BTCC race pace is 1.10-1.11.
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Old 20 Oct 2017, 09:04 (Ref:3775188)   #207
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Stuart Lines posted on Facebook a while back that they did 1.12 ish testing at Donington in a TCR car on old tyres. BTCC race pace is 1.10-1.11.
I believe that TCR's are around the old Seat Cupra Cup pace?
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Old 20 Oct 2017, 09:53 (Ref:3775189)   #208
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I expected that they are faster then Cupra cars, but then I take a look at qualifying at Oschersleben
2005 WTCC Pole James Thompson in Alfa Romeo 156 1:31.926
2017 TCR Pole Gianni Morbidelli in VW Golf 1:31.426
2010 WTCC Pole Yvan Muller in Chevroelt Cruze 1:32.481
2015 BTCC Pole Mat Jackson in Ford Focus 1:30.685

I am surprised that TCR and NGTC cars are just a little bit faster then old S2000 cars. After all they have 50hp and 100hp more then S2000 cars, and they are only 0.5 and 1.8 faster.
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Full spec Cupra cars are quicker than them normally. More power...
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Full spec Cupra cars are quicker than them normally. More power...
http://webcarstory.com/voiture.php?id=3521
You mean this Cupra? TCR cars have 50hp more.
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I believe that TCR's are around the old Seat Cupra Cup pace?
Seat Cupra was the original reference car for TCR BOP.
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Old 20 Oct 2017, 12:18 (Ref:3775220)   #212
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When they brought out the Cupras they detuned the UK ones by 50 bop to make them slower than BTCC
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Old 21 Oct 2017, 20:52 (Ref:3775469)   #213
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Oulton Park today in Britcar had a NGTC Avensis and TCR Leon on track at the same time.
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Old 21 Oct 2017, 21:05 (Ref:3775471)   #214
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NGTC 0.7s quicker that TCR in qualifying, but TCR 0.7s quicker that NGTC in the race.

However, I'm not sure how much of an accurate comparison this was. Toyota was still using 2016-spec GPRM parts with a driver who had barely driven the car before.
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I believe that TCR's are around the old Seat Cupra Cup pace?
That's because the Seat SuperCopa was the template for TCR, ISTR
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Old 6 Nov 2017, 01:02 (Ref:3778914)   #217
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Heard some rumours that the BMW Compact Cup might be a support race? Anyone else heard this?
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Heard some rumours that the BMW Compact Cup might be a support race? Anyone else heard this?
The two support series announced so far are both BRSCC series (National FF1600 and MX5 SuperCup) so I suppose any BRSCC series is a potential support, and that includes the BMW Compact Cup.

The BRSCC are probably just juggling their existing series around rather than creating a truly new "package".
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The two support series announced so far are both BRSCC series (National FF1600 and MX5 SuperCup)
VW Cup has also been announced as a part-time support. They are doing 4x British GT rounds, 3x TCR rounds, and one other event at Brands (Deutschefest?)
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I guess the strength of any UK series in terms of people attending trackside will be the price of the tickets. What are the estimates for ticket prices? £20?
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I guess the strength of any UK series in terms of people attending trackside will be the price of the tickets. What are the estimates for ticket prices? £20?
Not sure ticket prices are a relevant indicator tbh. Ticket revenue goes to the circuits not the clubs, so the clubs dont market meetings and the circuits dont bother outside BTCC or BSB it seems.
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Club meetings were £20 for the weekend at MSV circuits this year. British GT was £25 for the weekend. I expect TCR tickets will be the same as any other club meeting.
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I'm definately going to be attending some rounds providing the package is good.
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The support package will be pretty good! Already confirmed for the whole season are the Mazda MX5 Supercup & Formula Ford.

But now also (during some meetings) VW Racing Cup & Civic Cup.

Let's hope the TCR UK get's around 20 entries, so those weekends will be pretty good!
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I'm warming to this idea, it's gonna be like the NSCC of the 80s and 90s, which is good. It's certainly got some good series on the calendar too. Hopefully the series will be worth it
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