LMP Challenge cars unveiled - Page 2

fieldodreams79 · 1 Oct 2009, 22:06 (Ref:2552316)

i did see a DP in an SCCA Reg or Nat event at RoadATL two years? ago and can't find the records of any lap times. it may also have been on the old pavement. however, i did find that DSRs turn laps in the 1:17s to 18s there. not sure if that info helps compare anything to everything.

a very green RoadATL and like others stated, first "official" test session, surely there's more in the cars. i would think in the low teens.

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Originally Posted by JHamilton

I just did that and I think it depends on you definition of smoke.

Figure 2 seconds a lap between a DP and an undeveloped test car during a demo. There's got to be at least a second in left in it.

2 secs a lap is getting smoked! that's just me!

rich07 · 2 Oct 2009, 01:44 (Ref:2552404)

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Originally Posted by Fogelhund

They are however much cheaper than a DP.

And much better looking too.

If the US cars run a different powerplant (Ford?) who would be responsible for the engine program?

Jonerz · 2 Oct 2009, 02:09 (Ref:2552406)

Elan Motorsports Technologies in all likelihood.

Chris

Tim the Grey · 2 Oct 2009, 09:37 (Ref:2552548)

Why change the engine? It's running a cooking Chevvy already, so why mess about. That way Euro owners can go US, and vice-versa? These cars are a SUPPORT race at the Le Mans 24 hours, after all, and who knows, may just be a cheap way into the race itself in the future? So keep them to the same spec, globally.

zac510 · 2 Oct 2009, 10:05 (Ref:2552559)

Sponsorship maybe.. if Ford wanted to support the series they'd be more than happy to fill them with Ford donks

johntt · 2 Oct 2009, 10:34 (Ref:2552580)

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Originally Posted by rich07

And much better looking too.

If the US cars run a different powerplant (Ford?) who would be responsible for the engine program?

They are not running a different powerplant, they are running to exactly the same specs as the FLM-09, 6.2l Chevy V8 and all.

It would make no sense to go through the cost of modifying the car to run a different engine when the one it has works perfectly fine, so they are not.

A team taking the FLM/LMPC chassis and putting a different drivetrain in the back to meet the 2011 LMP2 rules is a possibility.

1969MGCGTdriver · 2 Oct 2009, 21:40 (Ref:2552940)

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Originally Posted by johntt

It would make no sense to go through the cost of modifying the car to run a different engine when the one it has works perfectly fine, so they are not.

Sure it would if your name is Panoz and also happen to own ELAN and it would allow you to keep some more of the money in house.

italiastraps · 3 Oct 2009, 20:43 (Ref:2553458)

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...e-test-report/

Info up on SPEED and they mention chassis cost

HORNDAWG · 3 Oct 2009, 21:46 (Ref:2553472)

It seems from the article that it is the LS3 6.2L engine that will come in the FLM09 (LMPC-10) and Elan has the rebuild contract on the engines. So there should be no problem for inter series racing, the only niggle may be the headlights that are not required in the FLMS, unless there is to be a retro kit to install them in the older models. Or buy the new nose with the lights for the car.

L.P.

**FIRE** · 4 Oct 2009, 12:53 (Ref:2553816)

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Damper manufacturer Ohlins and electronics manufacturer Magnetti Marelli are also expected to provide trackside support for LMPC teams. Elan Power Products will handle the engine rebuilding at a mandated intervals of 4000 miles (6400km) at a price in the $20,000 range.

$20,000 for rebuilding a crate engine?

EDIT
Marshall Pruett is suggesting a cheaper loophole.
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...st-report//P2/

broadrun96 · 5 Oct 2009, 02:11 (Ref:2554230)

Im hoping there was a typo and an extra 0 was added or it's $20,000 for a full season of rebuilds. How long is the whole race season distance though? Otherwise Pruett is right, everyone will buy a new one and get Elan to certify and seal it.

johntt · 5 Oct 2009, 09:07 (Ref:2554344)

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Originally Posted by broadrun96

How long is the whole race season distance though?

The LMPC cars aren't running Sebring or Petit, so they have 7x 2 Hour 45 minute races, 1x 1 Hour 40 minute sprint race (Long Beach) and a 6 Hour race (Laguna Seca).

The359 · 5 Oct 2009, 09:33 (Ref:2554356)

LMPC is running Sebring and Petit according to everything published so far.

smcorolla · 5 Oct 2009, 10:58 (Ref:2554428)

I asked Scott A. that also, said they are running every race.

rick

mz2k · 5 Oct 2009, 12:34 (Ref:2554497)

http://www.speedtv.com/video/popup/?...id=43287406001

**joeb** · 5 Oct 2009, 14:05 (Ref:2554562)

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Originally Posted by mz2k

http://www.speedtv.com/video/popup/?...id=43287406001

I enjoyed that car doing multiple laps on the vid. Also Marshall's article outlines a few points of interest in construction of the car that could be a problem for teams if there is contact during a race. And to be honest - I expect these cars to be involved in contact. He makes it sound like the construction is going to make repairs more expensive than need be if other construction methods were used. This could be a problem in a class based on low costs.

Also did anybody else notice that a used car is only $40,000 cheaper than a new one?

johntt · 5 Oct 2009, 15:12 (Ref:2554596)

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Originally Posted by The359

LMPC is running Sebring and Petit according to everything published so far.

Right you are, my mistake

mz2k · 5 Oct 2009, 15:30 (Ref:2554604)

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Originally Posted by joeb

I enjoyed that car doing multiple laps on the vid. Also Marshall's article outlines a few points of interest in construction of the car that could be a problem for teams if there is contact during a race. And to be honest - I expect these cars to be involved in contact. He makes it sound like the construction is going to make repairs more expensive than need be if other construction methods were used. This could be a problem in a class based on low costs.

Also did anybody else notice that a used car is only $40,000 cheaper than a new one?

I'm sure the supplier can lower the cost and make it up in volume. It is a spec class, so everyone will buy the same parts from the same source. ALMS may also have worked some sort of deal with the supplier in exchange for exclusivity.

Breitling24 · 6 Oct 2009, 05:33 (Ref:2554900)

Too bad the engine sounds are pretty much drowned out by the wind noise in the video.

johntt · 6 Oct 2009, 08:47 (Ref:2555000)

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Originally Posted by Breitling24

Too bad the engine sounds are pretty much drowned out by the wind noise in the video.

I wouldn't worry, when you see them live you'll realise that there is nothing which will drown out the noise of that engine

italiastraps · 6 Oct 2009, 17:27 (Ref:2555326)

Now that they have mentioned the actual cost of the LMPC chassis, what would be the yearly budget difference between buying a used P1 or P2 and going for the overall win in 2010 vs. running LMPC? i.e. like an Intersport team vs. an LMPC effort… Does anyone know the economics of this?

mz2k · 6 Oct 2009, 20:14 (Ref:2555429)

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Originally Posted by italiastraps

Now that they have mentioned the actual cost of the LMPC chassis, what would be the yearly budget difference between buying a used P1 or P2 and going for the overall win in 2010 vs. running LMPC? i.e. like an Intersport team vs. an LMPC effort… Does anyone know the economics of this?

Atherton said that the LMPC would cost under $1 million to run for a season. Going for the overall win in LMP1/2 would be way over that.

What the actual costs are/to be, you'd have to ask the team owners.

**joeb** · 7 Oct 2009, 16:51 (Ref:2556014)

Murphy seems to be reporting at least one sale of a LMPC car so far, and could it be to a former GA team?

johntt · 7 Oct 2009, 18:21 (Ref:2556074)

Could that be Krohn?

The359 · 7 Oct 2009, 19:52 (Ref:2556137)

I'm thinking the Supercar Life guys, since it was already confirmed their owner had a test drive.

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