WEC Toyota LMP1 Discussion - Page 107

GTfour · 14 May 2015, 12:03 (Ref:3537378)

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Originally Posted by CTD

Weren't fast enough!?
Isn't that what Toyota always has been, fast?
Toyota's issue last year was reliability and accidents, not their speed.

Until Toyota wins I will always think of them having 90% of the package, but they never achieve the last 10%, which always evades them.

However, I would not judge Toyota out, Le Mans is Le Mans and it will always come up with surprises.

I should've said: 'not fast enough to win'

And sure, Le Mans is allways full of surprises, luck and bad luck. Another reason why the team should field three cars. After all, 'luck favours the prepaired'.

CTD · 14 May 2015, 12:08 (Ref:3537379)

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Originally Posted by GTfour

I should've said: 'not fast enough to win'

And sure, Le Mans is allways full of surprises, luck and bad luck. Another reason why the team should field three cars. After all, 'luck favours the prepaired'.

Well again, speed never seemed what Toyota was missing, always some of the other factors

.

Just like Peugeot, they were always incredibly fast, but always missed in other aspects, making them lose the majority of the Le Mans the entered with the 908.

Articus · 14 May 2015, 12:44 (Ref:3537382)

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Originally Posted by GTfour

Spot on. To think one can beat Porsche and Audi with only two cars is just downright condescending to sportscar racing. However way anyone tries to defend this frankly dumb way of thinking, the fact remains Toyota could've allready grabbed the price in 2014 IF they'd had another car.
They've missed their chance and as it stands now, both the TS030 and TS040 will fade away in racing history as beautifull sportscars that just weren't fast enough. Like all Toyota Le Mans racers have...

God is that right. The TS020 is the most beautiful sportscar to grace this world in my eyes...

GTfour · 14 May 2015, 13:08 (Ref:3537386)

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Originally Posted by CTD

Well again, speed never seemed what Toyota was missing, always some of the other factors

.

Just like Peugeot, they were always incredibly fast, but always missed in other aspects, making them lose the majority of the Le Mans the entered with the 908.

True, but all that was forgotten by that single win.

tyronnezx · 15 May 2015, 05:17 (Ref:3537589)

Well if they fail this year, it may either open managements eyes to fund the program properly or Toyota may pull out without disgracing the name any further. either way its a win-win for Toyota but if they pull out we loose as fans.

TF110 · 15 May 2015, 07:29 (Ref:3537616)

Are we back to this quit talk? You know they just spoke of their commitment to at least 2017 earlier this year. Thats further than Nissan or Audi have said so far. They get to run a hybrid, thats huge for Toyota. They just need a little good fortune and the win will come.

Pandemonium · 15 May 2015, 09:29 (Ref:3537639)

The quit talks are indeed lame. Look at Ferrari. Has not missed a F1 Prix since F1 started. That is the kind of positivity we need here. If the have commited to 2017 then we should be happy.

Akrapovic · 15 May 2015, 10:40 (Ref:3537654)

Yeah, Ferrari haven't. But Toyota don't have the best track record for works projects do they?

kvenom · 15 May 2015, 14:49 (Ref:3537747)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Are we back to this quit talk? You know they just spoke of their commitment to at least 2017 earlier this year. Thats further than Nissan or Audi have said so far. They get to run a hybrid, thats huge for Toyota. They just need a little good fortune and the win will come.

Well to be honest we heard the same stuff from John Howlett after the 2009 F1 season and how they were "guaranteed" to be on the grid for 2010. All it takes is the board to change its mind and that's it. Not saying that is going to be the case, but it's not completely set in stone either.

TF110 · 15 May 2015, 17:38 (Ref:3537798)

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Originally Posted by kvenom

Well to be honest we heard the same stuff from John Howlett after the 2009 F1 season and how they were "guaranteed" to be on the grid for 2010. All it takes is the board to change its mind and that's it. Not saying that is going to be the case, but it's not completely set in stone either.

John Howett <<< Akio Toyoda. He was head of TMG, Akio is head of all Toyota

kvenom · 15 May 2015, 17:59 (Ref:3537807)

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Originally Posted by TF110

John Howett <<< Akio Toyoda. He was head of TMG, Akio is head of all Toyota

and Akio Toyoda <<< Board.

**Adam43** · 15 May 2015, 18:02 (Ref:3537810)

Board <<< TF110.

TF110 · 15 May 2015, 18:13 (Ref:3537812)

"If I ruled the world"

I think Akio has the board's assurance Toyota stays until 2017.

**Adam43** · 15 May 2015, 18:16 (Ref:3537814)

tyronnezx · 16 May 2015, 01:32 (Ref:3537900)

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Originally Posted by Adam43

Board <<< TF110.

LMAO!

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

Yeah, Ferrari haven't. But Toyota don't have the best track record for works projects do they?

Thank you. this is the point im trying to get across.

TF110 · 19 May 2015, 05:21 (Ref:3539199)

Obviously Kamui is ready for testing http://twitter.com/kamui_kobayashi/s...76399064825856

TF110 · 19 May 2015, 08:21 (Ref:3539229)

Spa test has begun. Endurance info has some pictures, but the car doesnt look to be too different from the one at the prologue except two lights in the cheese wedges.

YorkshireLad · 19 May 2015, 08:57 (Ref:3539235)

Hasn't the serrated like corners of the front diffuser disappeared?

Articus · 19 May 2015, 12:41 (Ref:3539301)

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Originally Posted by TF110

Spa test has begun. Endurance info has some pictures, but the car doesnt look to be too different from the one at the prologue except two lights in the cheese wedges.

more lights for rain visibility?

chernaudi · 19 May 2015, 13:25 (Ref:3539315)

Looks almost like the version of the car that was run at Paul Ricard during the WEC Prologue.

Only real noticeable changes from that spec is the front diffuser outer splitter edges and the added rear lights.

Otherwise, it's very similar to the LD and HD packages, which those two packages already look very similar to the untrained eye.

Akrapovic · 19 May 2015, 14:07 (Ref:3539327)

So it's not drastically different to what we've already seen? That's surprising.

carbon_titanium · 19 May 2015, 14:11 (Ref:3539329)

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Originally Posted by Akrapovic

So it's not drastically different to what we've already seen? That's surprising.

That's disappointing I would say, anyway I hope for them that somehow this "updated" package let them to run in 1.55 at least

Acid09 · 19 May 2015, 15:16 (Ref:3539342)

Well, that was to be expected, was it?

I know some people were counting on some super-special Le Mans version that would magically reduce their gap but looking at how they're working with a small budget this just wasn't very likely.

I think Toyota needs something crazy to happen for them to have a shot at winning this year.

Skemer · 19 May 2015, 16:30 (Ref:3539368)

Ok lets do a little quiz:,spot the difference.
First pic is the Le Mans aero.

seanyb505 · 19 May 2015, 16:41 (Ref:3539372)

I've got 4, maybe 5.

6 if you count the wiper base blue light.

7 if you count the background completely different.

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