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Old 1 Dec 2008, 23:07 (Ref:2345280)   #1
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Eastern Creek redesigned

Hi, new guy here. Heres a go at bringing the MotoGP back to the creek with a faster figure 8 design.

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Old 2 Dec 2008, 00:56 (Ref:2345335)   #2
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Very good!
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Now for MotoGP that turn 1 sure looks scary with the little runoff considering the speeds at wich that section can be taken.If it's a wet race even more so,I would either try to decrease the radius or add more land to the left. What would the distance be anyway?
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Old 2 Dec 2008, 02:14 (Ref:2345357)   #3
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Luiggi. T1 is SUPPOSED to be scary but you could run a smaller radius turn outside the existing large radius one but keep the larger radius for the track day spodes that dont want to slow down.
The overall track length has only increased about 100m from 3.43km to 3.53km but there has been 90 degrees of turn removed so lap time could actually be shorter and a higher average speed. current record is around 1.29.

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Old 2 Dec 2008, 07:41 (Ref:2345431)   #4
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Hi RIPPERTON, but isn't Eastern Creek already about 3.9kms? Or have I read something wrong??

Anyway, there's already an official thingo to improve Eastern Creek to FIA-standards so that it could have F1 cars on it or something like that (woooooohh). An extension of 800 mtrs is planned, the track will be able to run 3 races at once, tarmac run-off areas EVERYWHERE, and last but not least, the direction has been changed to clockwise. A downer for me is the fact it doesn't exactly flow much. Here it is. Enjoy.
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Old 2 Dec 2008, 10:49 (Ref:2345562)   #5
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Hi RIPPERTON, but isn't Eastern Creek already about 3.9kms? Or have I read something wrong??

Anyway, there's already an official thingo to improve Eastern Creek to FIA-standards so that it could have F1 cars on it or something like that (woooooohh). An extension of 800 mtrs is planned, the track will be able to run 3 races at once, tarmac run-off areas EVERYWHERE, and last but not least, the direction has been changed to clockwise. A downer for me is the fact it doesn't exactly flow much. Here it is. Enjoy.
Thats the problem with it..its official, and theres no way anyone could enjoy a glorified Pitt St stop-go traffic simulator like that. You might not get F1 at eastern Creek ever because its just too small but you might get MotoGP.
Im confused as to its length now in Wiki it says 3.45 but you measure it with Google Earth and its 3.9.
Everyone on my bike forum (RATs) likes my design and no one likes the "official" track which was probly designed by someone whose never riden a bike.
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If it was drawn up with F1 in mind, the design was almost certainly done by Hermann Tilke.
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Old 3 Dec 2008, 02:31 (Ref:2346049)   #7
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Everyone on my bike forum (RATs) likes my design and no one likes the "official" track which was probly designed by someone whose never riden a bike.
whoa at last I'm not alone!
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Old 3 Dec 2008, 02:37 (Ref:2346052)   #8
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I belive if you put AirFence in the critical points at T1 and it should pass the MotoGP safety commission ,the straight looks like 850m at least, were talkin flirting with 200mph into a 3rd or 4th gear corner, any mistake and people is going to fly for a while so gravel or better is needed in the most probable landing area.

I would race it as is though,on a personal level!!!
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Old 4 Dec 2008, 06:59 (Ref:2347028)   #9
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I think that Eastern Creek is Rubbish. The V8's have abandoned it, A1 is now going to Surfers.

The track is boring and it is too hard to overtake on.

What is an airfence???

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An airfence is a a generic term used to mean one of two types of safety structure

1 an airbag which is inflated but has vents to allow the air out when someone/thing hits it. the deformation as the air is released absorbs the energy of the impact. Downside..it's possible to slide under this type of fence and hit the wall/barrier behind it unabated. This type is being replaced by ...

2 an air foam barrier, similar idea to 1 but instead of it being inflated, it's actually a large piece of foam which has lots of tiny air pockets. when on impact the air is squeezed out as the foam compresses absorbing the energy of the impact. These can be set further away from a hard barrier to allow them to mmove and absorb impact that way too. They can also be used instead of tyre walls at chicanes etc.

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An airfence is a a generic term used to mean one of two types of safety structure

1 an airbag which is inflated but has vents to allow the air out when someone/thing hits it. the deformation as the air is released absorbs the energy of the impact. Downside..it's possible to slide under this type of fence and hit the wall/barrier behind it unabated. This type is being replaced by ...

2 an air foam barrier, similar idea to 1 but instead of it being inflated, it's actually a large piece of foam which has lots of tiny air pockets. when on impact the air is squeezed out as the foam compresses absorbing the energy of the impact. These can be set further away from a hard barrier to allow them to mmove and absorb impact that way too. They can also be used instead of tyre walls at chicanes etc.
Number 2 sounds like the NASCAR "safe" walls.
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No not quite, my understanding of the Safer wall is a concrete-polystyrene(hard foam)-concrete sandwich.

2 above is a soft foam...sponge like might be a better description, something of the type used in kids play areas although more duarble obviously which returns back to it's shape.
In the picture below taken at my local circuit, you can see the plastic(velcroed on) weather proof covers over these barriers which are placed in front of the tyre wall.
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as long as the wall absorbs the impact and not too much damage to the car
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Since Knockhill put in the foam barriers there has been a serious amount of cash saved by the barriers. They are much more car friendly than tyre walls.
I've seen big hits into the foam barrier, that have driven back to the paddock once pulled clear of the gravel with not even a scratch to the paint work. The same hit into the tyres would have ripped off a front or damaged sterring etc.
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I must say I prefer Ripperton's design over the so-called official edit, which I think is too stop-start. In fact, Ripperton's design looks like it could be fun.
But the T10-T11 combination doesn't look too safe for bikes, I'm afraid. For cars, it should work, though.
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