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Old 14 Oct 2019, 19:56 (Ref:3934431)   #106
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Print edition costs:
Motorsport £5.50
Autosport £3.99 (before the real outrage)
Motoring News £3.60
Loaf of bread £1.20
Pint of beer £3.00
Gallon of petrol £5.45

Considering the printing costs I’m not really sure it could be anything else.

Of course if you don’t feel it is worth it fair enough.
Pint of Peroni and bag of crisps in a London station pub £7.50....

Last time I picked up a copy of MN I am sure it was less than 50 pages. I know they are saying Autosport Show not affected but IMO that will end up with a show operator like clarion who run other car led shows at NEC. Looks like anything 'non-core' ie digital is vulnerable.

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Old 14 Oct 2019, 20:17 (Ref:3934432)   #107
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I have worked in the media may years ago and know what it is like, am aware of the falling readership levels even then.

Simply put if you are charging a fiver for a monthly magazine then trying to charge just over a pound less for something that is printed every week is insane.

Yes Sunday papers are more expensive but they are stacked with material, Autosport and MN have not been that way for over a decade most weeks.

So charging more for less is crazy, you are basically saying that Autosport is worth 16 quid a month!
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Old 14 Oct 2019, 21:13 (Ref:3934442)   #108
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£16? I’m not trying to make out it is nothing, but for a leisure activity it’s OK. About the same as a ticket to a championship team rugby match. For 80 minutes entertainment. Assuming I spend more than 20 minutes a copy it’s about cheaper.

I’ll take the argument that Motorsport is a bargain, but the old Autosport price is simply a result of the costs and was never going to be significantly cheaper. That’s all I’m saying.
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Old 15 Oct 2019, 06:36 (Ref:3934560)   #109
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£16? I’m not trying to make out it is nothing, but for a leisure activity it’s OK. About the same as a ticket to a championship team rugby match. For 80 minutes entertainment. Assuming I spend more than 20 minutes a copy it’s about cheaper.

I’ll take the argument that Motorsport is a bargain, but the old Autosport price is simply a result of the costs and was never going to be significantly cheaper. That’s all I’m saying.
I have been reading Autosport since 1980, back then it was the only place to read international and major UK series race results with motoring news, as it then was, covering the cubbies and rallying. I was a subscriber until probably 10 years ago but then found that most news was no longer news, so the magazine became padded out with more and more features and opinion pieces, inevitably some will be of more interest than others.

I now subscribe to the Autosport website, which I read daily and in fact as news alerts ping in, more than once a day.

This is where the divide comes, people who want news will find it online, people who want a long feature read are probably more motor sport magazine demographic, so both Autosport and F1 Racing are falling down the gap in the middle.

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Old 15 Oct 2019, 15:10 (Ref:3934701)   #110
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Autosport magazine is NOTHING to the motorsport dot com group, which owns something like 50 brands. The name as well as the show is more important than the actual print magazine to them.

Look who owns it and look at what happened to his other companies that he took public over the last decade. 2-minutes on google is all you need. It's crazy. I feel bad for people who actually lost money; investors, employees, advertisers, etc, etc.

We have no skin in the game. If we don't like the price, we won't buy it.... simples.
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Old 16 Oct 2019, 19:53 (Ref:3935032)   #111
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Journalist named Fritz-Dieter Rencken came across this. He posted it on twitter. It's fascinating: https://beta.companieshouse.gov.uk/c...filing-history
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For the inquisitive, there is lots of publicly available information there. The challenge with large corporate groups is knowing what is really going off with inter-company liabilities, etc. At least two sources, who should know, have indicated that the weeklies were profitable - but it depends what other liabilities are then allocated to that part of the business. There is a fascinating thread on Twitter about how more and more debt was heaped upon Pizza Express ... leading to its present difficulties.
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Old 17 Oct 2019, 14:13 (Ref:3935195)   #113
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BTCC champ is on the cover for the first time in decade, but no one will buy it at 11 quid. Stupid, beyond stupid....
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So, some lads, called Yavor Efremov, Yura Barabash or whoever they are, having no previous presence in any king of auto racing, acted as directors of the company that somehow managed to buy almost all major websites, TV channels, photo archives and magazines to combine it under one F1 umbrella. Didn't they have to pay an astronomical amount of money for this? Who's behind the curtains? Liberty Group? Why did the previous bosses of Autosport sell their business to the people who know nothing about racing? Well, after FIA has destroyed all the prototype and junior competitive racing I won't be surprised it's a manoeuvre to destroy any form of pluralism in mass media concentrated upon F1. If any journalist expresses any doubts about the route FIA/Liberty have chosen, he will lost his actual job being put into blacklist.
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This is the main guy: Russian billionaire based in Miami. http://www.thepaddockmagazine.com/to...eople-2019/70/
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Nice to see a non F1 cover. However it seems there have been plenty of letters on the subject
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Looks like that big business world - the part of it, which has never anything close to real production, but only "digital" (virtual) money - is so secret and difficult to understand. Would be great to read a complete explanation of the whole story with key figures in it. Are there any truly independent writers who brave enough to dig the story? Usually I don't like articles by Joe Saward but this one contains some interesting data:
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Just had a look, my 1990 Le Mans edition was £1.35. According to the Bank of England this is £3.01 in 2018 money (it doesn’t go to 2019).
Beer then was £1.06

https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/mone...ion-calculator

So basically beer and Autosport has increased more than inflation in that time. The government is picking on me, specifically me. Grrrrrrr.
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Thinking a little more about this , the recent target audience, F1 (and only F1 ) fans , don't buy motorsport magazines . But the people who do buy magazines (who are interested in the sport's broad church , including historic and national racing ,speed events etc ) don't want only to read more F1 drivel on the lines of 'the real reason why Seb lost at Baku '
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Is £10.99 enough? I mean why not £20.99? £200.99?
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